Good-bye

Ub Iwerks wrote:

"Ignoramus8546" wrote in message ...

Some random thoughts...

1. The purpose of posting food logs is to, first, be accountable, and
second, to invite comments.


The purpose is in the mind of the original poster. You are assuming
the poster is inviting comments. For example, no one knows the
purpose for your reply here; perhaps you want to help, perhaps you
want to be seen as an expert, perhaps you have no life and just want
to flood Usenet with your pontification.

She invited me to comment, knowing I was going to be critical. In fact,
all the suggestions she's gotten (that I've seen) have been along the
same lines. That's because this group has a sort of groupthink going
on. I came in here eating a low-fat high-carb diet and upset because I
had never been successful in losing fat and keeping it off. I learned
the lessons passed along in here by the ones who came before - Mistress
Krista, Barbara Hirsch, Carol, a variety of other long-term maintainers.
Now I pass them along.

Trying to persuade someone to stay here when they cleary are upset and
do not want to is not reasonable, unless you want them to stay as
fodder for your unwanted replies.

I agree with this.

This is a diet newsgroup, so, comments about people's diets are to be
expected.

This is a support newsgroup, first, so support is to be expected.
This is alt.SUPPORT.diet, not alt.DIET.support.

Well, supporting somebody means different things to different people,
doesn't it? Telling someone when they're going down the wrong path is
am act of Christian charity in a certain light, wouldn't you say?

2. Fish oil supplements, and such, are food and should be included in
food logs.

Right. She also mentioned ingredients in her food logs that weren't
evident - I mean, who puts cheese in risotto? Or yogurt in parfait?

If these are for accountability oughtn't she to add up the calories
and/or points and/or macronutrient grams or something? If they're not
for accountability then it seems they're fair to comment on. If she
really wants her accountability to be anonymous I highly recommend she
log at www.fitday.com.

3. Saying that Annabel has bad skin, without seeing it, is not wise.


No, it's presumptive.

It's physiological. People who eat very low fat diets are
short-changing some of the processes that the skin uses to repair
itself. Eczema, dry patches, dull hair, lusterless skin, poor
elasticity... these are all results of a low-fat diet. It's how bodies
work.

5. Saying that Annabel cannot lose weight, is based on conjecture and
not facts, she might be able to lose weight and keep it off.

Saying that Annabel cannot lose fat and keep it off by doing the same
thing she's been doing is basing future performance on past history.
The main thing I'd say about that is that it's unkind. I'm unkind
sometimes.

She did not ask for your suggestion. Are you too wrapped up in
yourself to see that YOU are one of those she does not wish to deal
with?

Get a grip.

She may prefer support groups that fit more closely with her dieting
philosophy. There is a low-fat group here, as I recall, and she may
find weight watchers to be helpful - they've got a lot of online support.

We all come at this from different directions. The ones that settle in
here and do well have thick skins, take the bad with the good, and are
open to trying new things. After all, if you want to change you're
going to have to change. And change is hard work.

Dally

Patricia Heil wrote:

I didn't know there was such a thing as a British physiology that was
different from physiology anywhere else in the world.

Interesting observation. Seems to me like there are plenty of general
regional variations in physiology, worldwide. Whether any of them are
relevant to weight loss is another question, I guess.

M

--
"It's the small gaps between the rain that count,
and learning how to live amongst them."
-- Jeff Noon

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or
shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how
British people normally eat.

I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever
invented, all by myself.

Good bye.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg


Sorry to see you go Annabel, this group is sometimes hard hitting.. I see it
as a form of tough love. If your looking for informative diverse opinions on
how others have successfully lost weight and kept it off, this is the place
to be. If not, do it your way. It's obviously gotten you fantastic results
right? /sarcasm

I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain
myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I
knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd
helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and
miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That
realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help..
not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit
yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not
hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method
does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be
fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to
asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me.

Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff
cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering
me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep
telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I
read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can
read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep
enlightening me on eating disorders. Please..

Susan(reformed top poster)
280/187/140

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or
shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how
British people normally eat.

I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever
invented, all by myself.

Good bye.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg


Sorry to see you go Annabel, this group is sometimes hard hitting.. I see it
as a form of tough love. If your looking for informative diverse opinions on
how others have successfully lost weight and kept it off, this is the place
to be. If not, do it your way. It's obviously gotten you fantastic results
right? /sarcasm

I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain
myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I
knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd
helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and
miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That
realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help..
not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit
yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not
hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method
does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be
fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to
asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me.

Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff
cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering
me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep
telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I
read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can
read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep
enlightening me on eating disorders. Please..

Susan(reformed top poster)
280/187/140

SusanLewis wrote:

I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain
myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I
knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd
helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and
miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That
realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help..
not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit
yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not
hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method
does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be
fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to
asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me.

Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff
cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering
me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep
telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I
read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can
read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep
enlightening me on eating disorders. Please..

Susan(reformed top poster)
280/187/140

That's so great to hear! (All of it - not just the reformed top-posting
part.) :-)

By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled
in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing
maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds.

Dally
244/175/168

Subject: Good-bye
From: Annabel Smyth
Date: 8/23/2004 5:38 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or
shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how
British people normally eat.

I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever
invented, all by myself.

and what way is that?


Good bye.
--
Annabel - "Mrs Redboots"
90/88/80kg

Nourishment wrote:

Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or
shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how
British people normally eat.

I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever
invented, all by myself.


and what way is that?

11 years ago, before she quit smoking, before she became menopausal, she
lost 50 pounds with a low-fat/high-carb calorie restriction method.
She's since regained it all (I think, I'm not clear on where she stands
currently) and is here looking for support to repeat what she considers
to have been a success.

I've been unnecessarily mean to her. It doesn't appear to have helped
her much. I have vague pangs of guilt. Very vague.

Dally

"Dally" wrote in message
...
SusanLewis wrote:

I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain
myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I
knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd
helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and
miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That
realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real
help..
not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit
yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have
not
hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method
does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd
be
fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank
you to
asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me.

Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff
cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep
cheering
me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn
keep
telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I
read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I
can
read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice
keep
enlightening me on eating disorders. Please..

Susan(reformed top poster)
280/187/140

That's so great to hear! (All of it - not just the reformed top-posting
part.) :-)

By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled
in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing
maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds.

Dally
244/175/168


I dunno Dally, I've gotten discouraged just recently. Yes my loss has been
life changing, awesome yadda yadda blahblahblah, but I also realized the
honeymoon is over for me. The real work begins now. The last 50 some odd lbs
are not going to just drop off of me like magic and frankly it's scary. I
find myself more often than I'd like wondering what it would be like not
walking everyday, what it would be like to go on and eat that big plate of
enchiladas rice and beans with a few flour tortillias slathered in butter
and a big glass of sugar sweetened ice tea. I keep repeating to myself
"nothing taste as good as thin feels" but ya know.. I'm not thin yet and
nothing tastes good anyways. So what's the point? And the bitch about it all
is, I KNOW this is negative thinking, I of all people know this type of
thinking will not get results that I want for the long term. I just wonder
if I am up to the challenge of the last 50 or not.
Ya know, sometimes I really wonder if I am hanging on to the last 50 for
some reason. Why am I not as excited and encouraged as I was when I started
this? Is my fat a security for me? I've *never* been ideal weight, what is
it going to be like, will I like it there, or what if I get obsessive and go
too thin? Then theres the skin issue to deal with when I do actually make my
goal. How is looking at that skin hanging there gonna affect me everyday? Is
there some emotional or mental hangup I need to address before I can make
the decision to get it the heck off me? I want to fit into my size
14's(which I justify with the fact of my size 12 kid cant even get in them,
so they are not really "14's") and I've worked so hard and I STILL dont fit
in them. That fact alone simply ****es me off (lol, I sound like such a
whiner and crazy to boot). Maybe I need to take a break and re evaluate
things. Maybe I need to work harder and read more than I am now. I just
don't know. Suggestions/advice appreciated.

Anyways
That's where I stand. Fat and flabby as it may be.

Susan
280/187/140

Dally,By golly YOU are going to where I WANT TO BE I'm trying to get
into my size 12 jeans and I can if I'm at 165 LBS. I'm one size too
big but I'm getting closer Since my doc told me that I can not be
healthy at a weight lower than 165 (large bone structure) I'm trying to
be at that weight soon!

LOVE your posts

glo

SusanLewis wrote:

"Dally" wrote:

By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled
in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing
maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds.


I dunno Dally, I've gotten discouraged just recently. Yes my loss has been
life changing, awesome yadda yadda blahblahblah, but I also realized the
honeymoon is over for me. The real work begins now. The last 50 some odd lbs
are not going to just drop off of me like magic and frankly it's scary. I
find myself more often than I'd like wondering what it would be like not
walking everyday, what it would be like to go on and eat that big plate of
enchiladas rice and beans with a few flour tortillias slathered in butter
and a big glass of sugar sweetened ice tea. I keep repeating to myself
"nothing taste as good as thin feels" but ya know.. I'm not thin yet and
nothing tastes good anyways. So what's the point? And the bitch about it all
is, I KNOW this is negative thinking, I of all people know this type of
thinking will not get results that I want for the long term. I just wonder
if I am up to the challenge of the last 50 or not.

It would be laughable for me to try to give you advice over this, since
I could have written it. I guess part of what I'm doing right now is
giving myself permission to just hang here for a while. I'm on a
planned layoff from weight-lifting. Well, sort of planned. I had meant
to take this week off any maybe next, but ended up taking most of last
week off, too. Planned breaks helps me from burning out, and allows me
to practice the important skill of starting back up again!

I also allow myself refeeds. Again, the idea is that I won't just feast
forever, I have to STOP the next day and go back on plan, but if you are
really craving some rice and beans then put on Sir Mix-a-lot ("red beans
and rice didn't miss her") and eat them! You've got to live this life
for the rest of your life, one meal here or there won't hurt you and if
it keeps you from burning out and chucking the whole thing, well, then
it's a good idea, isn't it?

Ya know, sometimes I really wonder if I am hanging on to the last 50 for
some reason. Why am I not as excited and encouraged as I was when I started
this? Is my fat a security for me? I've *never* been ideal weight, what is
it going to be like, will I like it there, or what if I get obsessive and go
too thin? Then theres the skin issue to deal with when I do actually make my
goal. How is looking at that skin hanging there gonna affect me everyday? Is
there some emotional or mental hangup I need to address before I can make
the decision to get it the heck off me?

Good questions. I guess my first question would be are you really as
far as 50 pounds from your goal? Do you have any idea what your body
fat percentage is? I'm aiming for 23% and I'm at 26% body fat and 26%
body fat is chunky and curvy and has blubber on the thighs... but really
isn't obese. It might just be good enough for me for now.

I want to fit into my size
14's(which I justify with the fact of my size 12 kid cant even get in them,
so they are not really "14's") and I've worked so hard and I STILL dont fit
in them. That fact alone simply ****es me off (lol, I sound like such a
whiner and crazy to boot). Maybe I need to take a break and re evaluate
things. Maybe I need to work harder and read more than I am now. I just
don't know. Suggestions/advice appreciated.

It sounds like you've climbed inside my head. All I can tell you is
that "practicing maintenance for a while" is a nice term that works on
the people who ask why I'm eating ice cream. :-)

Anyways
That's where I stand. Fat and flabby as it may be.

But not as fat and flabby as you used to be. Give yourself a pat on the
back and be open to the idea that there's always a new challenge to work
on. It sounds like the "repeat, forever" parts of the plan need some
attention. :-)

Susan
280/187/140

Dally
244/175/168