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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:24 PM
BJ in Texas
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:

[...]

I found this statement (from
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/lowcarb.php)
interesting:

"An analysis of the diets of 2,681 people who are listed in
the National
Weight Control Registry found that fewer than 1 percent who
had maintained
at least a 30-pound weight loss for a year or more followed a
diet with less
than 24 percent of the daily calories from carbohydrates.6
Because so few
dieters following the Atkins plan were found in the registry,
the
researchers concluded that very low-carbohydrate diets do not
offer a weight
loss advantage over the long term (because only dieters with
long term
weight loss are admitted into the Registry in the first
place). "


Flawed Research -- Examining the National Weight Control
Registry to determine
effectiveness of a diet -- give me a break....

BJ

I'd be willing to bet money that one could find more than 27
people right
here in this newsgroup who have maintained a 30-pound weight
loss for a year
or more.

Also, 24% calories from carbs might be considered a low-carb
by those in
maintainence since the standard recommendations are typically
over 50%.

The nonsense will never cease.



  #12  
Old September 9th, 2004, 07:24 PM
BJ in Texas
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:

[...]

I found this statement (from
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/lowcarb.php)
interesting:

"An analysis of the diets of 2,681 people who are listed in
the National
Weight Control Registry found that fewer than 1 percent who
had maintained
at least a 30-pound weight loss for a year or more followed a
diet with less
than 24 percent of the daily calories from carbohydrates.6
Because so few
dieters following the Atkins plan were found in the registry,
the
researchers concluded that very low-carbohydrate diets do not
offer a weight
loss advantage over the long term (because only dieters with
long term
weight loss are admitted into the Registry in the first
place). "


Flawed Research -- Examining the National Weight Control
Registry to determine
effectiveness of a diet -- give me a break....

BJ

I'd be willing to bet money that one could find more than 27
people right
here in this newsgroup who have maintained a 30-pound weight
loss for a year
or more.

Also, 24% calories from carbs might be considered a low-carb
by those in
maintainence since the standard recommendations are typically
over 50%.

The nonsense will never cease.



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Old September 10th, 2004, 01:55 AM
FOB
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It's also ridiculous. It says a person should eat no more than 2 grams of
protein per kilogram of body weight. At 236 that means I could eat up to
214 grams of protein. That's about twice what I usually eat. At 150 you
could eat 136 grams, my average per Fitday is 111, average calories 1807.
And from what other people say about what they eat I think I am probably
higher in protein consumption than most. I don't think many people eat that
high a level of protein.

In ,
Ignoramus26161 stated
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|| i
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| I read the actual article, it is as dishonest as it gets.
|
| They try to scare us about kidney damage on a "high protein" diet,
| referring to some study: The American Kidney Fund: American Kidney
| Fund Warns About Impact of High-Protein Diets on Kidney Health
|
| Of course, LC is not the same as high protein, but that study
| http://www.charitywire.com/charity13/02794.html actually refers to
| feeding athletes "powerbars".
|
| Are powerbars LC? Our friend JC der Koenig would disagree, for sure...
|
| i


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Old September 10th, 2004, 01:55 AM
FOB
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It's also ridiculous. It says a person should eat no more than 2 grams of
protein per kilogram of body weight. At 236 that means I could eat up to
214 grams of protein. That's about twice what I usually eat. At 150 you
could eat 136 grams, my average per Fitday is 111, average calories 1807.
And from what other people say about what they eat I think I am probably
higher in protein consumption than most. I don't think many people eat that
high a level of protein.

In ,
Ignoramus26161 stated
||
|| i
|
| I read the actual article, it is as dishonest as it gets.
|
| They try to scare us about kidney damage on a "high protein" diet,
| referring to some study: The American Kidney Fund: American Kidney
| Fund Warns About Impact of High-Protein Diets on Kidney Health
|
| Of course, LC is not the same as high protein, but that study
| http://www.charitywire.com/charity13/02794.html actually refers to
| feeding athletes "powerbars".
|
| Are powerbars LC? Our friend JC der Koenig would disagree, for sure...
|
| i


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Old September 10th, 2004, 09:18 AM
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Ignoramus26161 wrote:
Of course, LC is not the same as high protein, but that study


Protein Power is a low carb, high protein diet. I don't know if anyone in this
group is doing Protein Power.

Yvonne


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Old September 10th, 2004, 09:18 AM
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Ignoramus26161 wrote:
Of course, LC is not the same as high protein, but that study


Protein Power is a low carb, high protein diet. I don't know if anyone in this
group is doing Protein Power.

Yvonne


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Old September 10th, 2004, 07:10 PM
kvs
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:

[...]

I found this statement (from http://www.essentialnutrition.org/lowcarb.php)
interesting:

"An analysis of the diets of 2,681 people who are listed in the National
Weight Control Registry found that fewer than 1 percent who had maintained
at least a 30-pound weight loss for a year or more followed a diet with less
than 24 percent of the daily calories from carbohydrates.6 Because so few
dieters following the Atkins plan were found in the registry, the
researchers concluded that very low-carbohydrate diets do not offer a weight
loss advantage over the long term (because only dieters with long term
weight loss are admitted into the Registry in the first place). "


No real researcher would take the contents of some registry as empirical evidence.

I'd be willing to bet money that one could find more than 27 people right
here in this newsgroup who have maintained a 30-pound weight loss for a year
or more.


I have lost 72.5 pounds in the past year and am still losing weight.
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Old September 10th, 2004, 07:10 PM
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:

[...]

I found this statement (from http://www.essentialnutrition.org/lowcarb.php)
interesting:

"An analysis of the diets of 2,681 people who are listed in the National
Weight Control Registry found that fewer than 1 percent who had maintained
at least a 30-pound weight loss for a year or more followed a diet with less
than 24 percent of the daily calories from carbohydrates.6 Because so few
dieters following the Atkins plan were found in the registry, the
researchers concluded that very low-carbohydrate diets do not offer a weight
loss advantage over the long term (because only dieters with long term
weight loss are admitted into the Registry in the first place). "


No real researcher would take the contents of some registry as empirical evidence.

I'd be willing to bet money that one could find more than 27 people right
here in this newsgroup who have maintained a 30-pound weight loss for a year
or more.


I have lost 72.5 pounds in the past year and am still losing weight.
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Old September 11th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Aramanth Dawe
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On 9 Sep 2004 18:08:50 GMT, Ignoramus26161
wrote:

In article , Roger Zoul wrote:

I'd be willing to bet money that one could find more than 27 people right
here in this newsgroup who have maintained a 30-pound weight loss for a year
or more.


Maybe these people should sign up for the national weight control
registry then, and tell those "researchers" how they lost.

I already did.

I lost weight on a moderate carb diet (150 grams of carbs, or 25% of
calories), but am now maintaining on a low carb diet, which I love,
because I like eating fat.

i


Several have reported that they tried, but gave it up because the
questions they had to answer were so strongly slanted against low-carb
they couldn't answer and therefore their responses would be
discounted.

Aramanth
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Old September 12th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Brigid Nelson
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Cailleachschilde wrote:

Ignoramus26161 wrote:

Of course, LC is not the same as high protein, but that study



Protein Power is a low carb, high protein diet. I don't know if anyone in this
group is doing Protein Power.

Yvonne


When I did the Protein Power math to figure out how much protein I
needed daily to sustain my LBM the number I came up with was 60 grams.
That's hardly high protein.

brigid
 




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