Core success?

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice). For the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For instance, last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't had in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
...
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35 point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't have to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied. In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or else I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual implies that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items. A quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more non-core items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been mentioned by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as bread or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing as non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice). For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35 point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual implies that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items. A quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more non-core items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been mentioned by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as bread or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing as non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice). For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35 point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

When I have a sandwich I count only the bread. Its just as if I were having
a plate of sliced cold roast beef with mustard and some lettuce, then added
some bread on the side.

Maintenance is a lifelong journey, it is wise to learn all you can about it!
Best thing is not to let things get out of control, you are doing the right
thing keeping tabs on where you are.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice). For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't had in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35 point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied. In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or else I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

If you are overly confused then perhaps the Point Plan is better suited to
your needs.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual implies
that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items. A
quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more non-core
items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been mentioned
by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original
materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as bread
or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing as non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice). For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points
Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35 point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total
weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't
have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

The only confusing part of the Core plan is which set of rules do you
follow? The getting started book or the so-called corrections that nobody
except for the leaders have seen. Mine won't even discuss the corrections
anymore so I am not sure if they are real.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:aEgkd.79691$R05.65701@attbi_s53...
If you are overly confused then perhaps the Point Plan is better suited to
your needs.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual implies
that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items. A
quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more non-core
items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been
mentioned
by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original
materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as bread
or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing as
non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what
extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non
core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain
boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love
fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice).
For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points
Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight
I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For
instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't
had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35
point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total
weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't
have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or
else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

There is only one set of rules - its what's published in the Getting Started
book.

What you intimate are another set of rules consist mainly of corrections to
the Complete Food Companion which slipped by the proofreaders. Only a few
corrections need to be made, compared to the 15,000+ items listed in the
guide. No Core rule is being changed - there are not two sets of rules for
Core. For instance, one of the changes is to Kentucky Fried Chicken's
Original Recipe drumstick. The guide says it is Core. The clarification
states it is not. The reason is that as it is listed in the guide it
includes the skin and breading. Skin and breading are not Core - never have
been.

Look up one or two entries above that and you see KFC chicken breast - skin
removed by customer - is Core. As it should be. Fast food fried chicken is
Core - as long as you remove the skin and breading. Nothing is changed,
there are not two sets of rules.

The probable reason for not disseminating the clarifications right now is
that WW wants to get all the clarifications gathered together and then pass
them out, rather than dribbling them out in several stages.

The other subject you bring up is when is a blended food Core? Well, there
may never be a definitive answer that will satisfy everyone. If you start
with extra lean ground beef (Core), and start adding ingredients to it
(mustard, relish, 2% cheese, fat-free mayo, a low-carb bun, a slice of
onion, a fried egg on top), at some point it is no longer Core. My
suggestion is that if there is something presented to you that you have
questions about, and cannot get definitive answers from the preparer, use
your best judgment. If its a sandwich and you can see what the parts
consist of, and it is not a high-abuse-potential food, then count only the
non-Core parts. If you are presented with a chicken breast smothered in
sauce and don't know what the sauce consists of, you can either assume its
fat-based and count the Points or scrape the sauce off and don't worry about
it.

The USPS has a handy template for judging whether an envelope is oversized
or not; there is a slot in the guide and if the letter fits through it is
not too thick. You won't find such a go-no go rule for the Core Plan.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
The only confusing part of the Core plan is which set of rules do you
follow? The getting started book or the so-called corrections that nobody
except for the leaders have seen. Mine won't even discuss the corrections
anymore so I am not sure if they are real.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:aEgkd.79691$R05.65701@attbi_s53...
If you are overly confused then perhaps the Point Plan is better suited
to
your needs.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual implies
that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items. A
quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more non-core
items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been
mentioned
by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original
materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as
bread
or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing as
non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what
extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non
core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"
wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain
boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew. Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love
fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice).
For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding
with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points
Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight
I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For
instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't
had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35
point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total
weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I don't
have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am
satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or
else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using
the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and
even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:Jpzkd.26674$5K2.6841@attbi_s03...
There is only one set of rules - its what's published in the Getting
Started
book.

What you intimate are another set of rules consist mainly of corrections
to
the Complete Food Companion which slipped by the proofreaders. Only a few
corrections need to be made, compared to the 15,000+ items listed in the
guide. No Core rule is being changed - there are not two sets of rules
for
Core. For instance, one of the changes is to Kentucky Fried Chicken's
Original Recipe drumstick. The guide says it is Core. The clarification
states it is not. The reason is that as it is listed in the guide it
includes the skin and breading. Skin and breading are not Core - never
have
been.

Look up one or two entries above that and you see KFC chicken breast -
skin
removed by customer - is Core. As it should be. Fast food fried chicken
is
Core - as long as you remove the skin and breading. Nothing is changed,
there are not two sets of rules.

The probable reason for not disseminating the clarifications right now is
that WW wants to get all the clarifications gathered together and then
pass
them out, rather than dribbling them out in several stages.

The other subject you bring up is when is a blended food Core? Well,
there
may never be a definitive answer that will satisfy everyone. If you start
with extra lean ground beef (Core), and start adding ingredients to it
(mustard, relish, 2% cheese, fat-free mayo, a low-carb bun, a slice of
onion, a fried egg on top), at some point it is no longer Core. My
suggestion is that if there is something presented to you that you have
questions about, and cannot get definitive answers from the preparer, use
your best judgment. If its a sandwich and you can see what the parts
consist of, and it is not a high-abuse-potential food, then count only the
non-Core parts. If you are presented with a chicken breast smothered in
sauce and don't know what the sauce consists of, you can either assume its
fat-based and count the Points or scrape the sauce off and don't worry
about
it.

Yes it was this area that gets confusing. The Getting starting book clearly
says that if you know what is in the dish then you only have to count the
non core items. Yet a quiz on the WW site states that if you use 2 or more
non core items that you MUST count the entire dish as NON CORE.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 This has
not been mentioned by my leader yet.

The other clarifications and typo corrections make sense. I understand the
rule that you can't make a non core food item out of core ingredients. It is
the newly discovered rule about 2+ non core items makes the whole dish non
core that bothers me. I realise that if the amount of the non core items is
significant then you are probably already counting the majority of those
points. I can't imagine someone purposely making a dish that consists of
significant amounts of non core foods. But if you use a Tablespoon of
reduced fat cheese plus 1 Tablespoon of reduced fat sour cream on your core
chili then you should not have to count the core chili as non core. Yet the
new rule says that you have to despite the fact that the Getting started
book directs you to use your best judgement. So do we use our best judgement
or do we follow this new unwritten rule? Hense the confusion.

The USPS has a handy template for judging whether an envelope is oversized
or not; there is a slot in the guide and if the letter fits through it is
not too thick. You won't find such a go-no go rule for the Core Plan.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
The only confusing part of the Core plan is which set of rules do you
follow? The getting started book or the so-called corrections that
nobody
except for the leaders have seen. Mine won't even discuss the
corrections
anymore so I am not sure if they are real.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:aEgkd.79691$R05.65701@attbi_s53...
If you are overly confused then perhaps the Point Plan is better suited
to
your needs.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual
implies
that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items.
A
quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more
non-core
items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been
mentioned
by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original
materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as
bread
or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing
as
non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what
extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non
core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for
my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar
and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain
boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew.
Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love
fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice).
For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding
with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points
Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with
cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight
I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For
instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't
had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35
point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total
weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I
don't
have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am
satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or
else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using
the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and
even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has
it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:Jpzkd.26674$5K2.6841@attbi_s03...
There is only one set of rules - its what's published in the Getting
Started
book.

What you intimate are another set of rules consist mainly of corrections
to
the Complete Food Companion which slipped by the proofreaders. Only a few
corrections need to be made, compared to the 15,000+ items listed in the
guide. No Core rule is being changed - there are not two sets of rules
for
Core. For instance, one of the changes is to Kentucky Fried Chicken's
Original Recipe drumstick. The guide says it is Core. The clarification
states it is not. The reason is that as it is listed in the guide it
includes the skin and breading. Skin and breading are not Core - never
have
been.

Look up one or two entries above that and you see KFC chicken breast -
skin
removed by customer - is Core. As it should be. Fast food fried chicken
is
Core - as long as you remove the skin and breading. Nothing is changed,
there are not two sets of rules.

The probable reason for not disseminating the clarifications right now is
that WW wants to get all the clarifications gathered together and then
pass
them out, rather than dribbling them out in several stages.

The other subject you bring up is when is a blended food Core? Well,
there
may never be a definitive answer that will satisfy everyone. If you start
with extra lean ground beef (Core), and start adding ingredients to it
(mustard, relish, 2% cheese, fat-free mayo, a low-carb bun, a slice of
onion, a fried egg on top), at some point it is no longer Core. My
suggestion is that if there is something presented to you that you have
questions about, and cannot get definitive answers from the preparer, use
your best judgment. If its a sandwich and you can see what the parts
consist of, and it is not a high-abuse-potential food, then count only the
non-Core parts. If you are presented with a chicken breast smothered in
sauce and don't know what the sauce consists of, you can either assume its
fat-based and count the Points or scrape the sauce off and don't worry
about
it.

Yes it was this area that gets confusing. The Getting starting book clearly
says that if you know what is in the dish then you only have to count the
non core items. Yet a quiz on the WW site states that if you use 2 or more
non core items that you MUST count the entire dish as NON CORE.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 This has
not been mentioned by my leader yet.

The other clarifications and typo corrections make sense. I understand the
rule that you can't make a non core food item out of core ingredients. It is
the newly discovered rule about 2+ non core items makes the whole dish non
core that bothers me. I realise that if the amount of the non core items is
significant then you are probably already counting the majority of those
points. I can't imagine someone purposely making a dish that consists of
significant amounts of non core foods. But if you use a Tablespoon of
reduced fat cheese plus 1 Tablespoon of reduced fat sour cream on your core
chili then you should not have to count the core chili as non core. Yet the
new rule says that you have to despite the fact that the Getting started
book directs you to use your best judgement. So do we use our best judgement
or do we follow this new unwritten rule? Hense the confusion.

The USPS has a handy template for judging whether an envelope is oversized
or not; there is a slot in the guide and if the letter fits through it is
not too thick. You won't find such a go-no go rule for the Core Plan.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
The only confusing part of the Core plan is which set of rules do you
follow? The getting started book or the so-called corrections that
nobody
except for the leaders have seen. Mine won't even discuss the
corrections
anymore so I am not sure if they are real.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:aEgkd.79691$R05.65701@attbi_s53...
If you are overly confused then perhaps the Point Plan is better suited
to
your needs.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is where things get confusing. The Getting started manual
implies
that
if you make the item then you only have to count the non core items.
A
quiz
on the WW site said that if something was made with 2 or more
non-core
items
then the whole thing was non-core. This correction has NOT been
mentioned
by
my leader nor has WW issued official corrections to the original
materials.
If the non core items are mininal and readily identifiable such as
bread
or
cheese then I only count those items. I don't count the whole thing
as
non
core. But if I am out to a restaurant and I have no clue as to what
extras
they have added to something then I will count the whole thing as non
core
and use my points. Very confusing.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Not being a CORE person, when you have a sandwich, you have to count
all of the points, bread, filling (chicken or beef), etc?

Sounds like you have it down pretty well. Maintenance is hard. I
kept dropping for a while, too. Now bobbling but a bit too up for
my
comfort level at the moment.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:22:40 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

In a word, yes.

For breakfast I have oatmeal with a bit of Sugar Twin brown sugar
and
skim
milk. Lunch is usually a can of kippers packed in water or plain
boiled
pinto beans and brown rice and salsa, making a sort of stew.
Dinner
varies
but is usually roasted chicken without the skin (or some other lean
meat),
steamed cauliflower or green beans, salad with some olive oil and
balsamic
vinegar.

For snacks I grab a banana, apple, or pear; for desserts I love
fat-free
cottage cheese with pineapple chunks (canned, in their own juice).
For
the
crunchies I have a bag of 94% fat free popcorn.

Another dessert I've made is instant fat-free, sugar-free pudding
with
bananas sliced up in it. Wow! Filling, and a nice treat.

If I feel like having a sandwich I'll dip into my Weekly Points
Allowance
and have 4 slices of a lite Italian bread (3 Points total) with
cold
sliced
chicken or lean beef, lettuce, onion, mustard, and maybe a slice of
fat-free
cheddar cheese.

Since I'm still losing and want to "bulk up" back to my goal weight
I'm
adding non-Core foods gradually to reach an equilibrium. For
instance,
last
night I had a bit of mayonnaise on my sandwich, something I haven't
had
in
nearly a year.

- Fred #2

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
So you eat all you want until satisfied of all core foods without
"limit?" Snacks, too, core? Are you eating non-core in that 35
point
allowance in addition.

The other Fred

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:49:27 GMT, "Fred the Second"

wrote:

Sofia, I am a Lifetime WW member who reached goal in 1994, total
weight
loss
115 lbs. I am following the Core Plan and am very happy. I
don't
have
to
count or record, I have snacks as often as I want, and am
satisfied.
In
fact, I have to be diligent to add non-Core foods to my eating or
else
I
start dropping below my goal weight!

- Fred #2

"Someplace_Else" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I recently re-joined Weight Watchers and was considering using
the
core
plan instead of the flex. For those that are doing Core, and
even
better,
those that have switched to core from flex, how successful has
it
been
for
you so far?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

Sofia

"Laura" wrote in message
...

snip

The Getting starting book clearly
says that if you know what is in the dish then you only have to count the
non core items. Yet a quiz on the WW site states that if you use 2 or more
non core items that you MUST count the entire dish as NON CORE.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 This
has
not been mentioned by my leader yet.

No, it says you SHOULD: "But two or more ingredients puts it over the top,
and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe."

There are lots of things we should be doing, but you cannot look at this
with so much legalism. We SHOULD all take a daily multivitamin on the Core
Plan. For medical reasons I do not. We SHOULD increase our activity level.
Because I am lazy I have not.

If you are a Traditional WW member (go to a weekly class) your Leader is
your guide. Discuss it with him/her. The materials handed out in the
meeting room and the material presented in the meeting discussions are what
you should be following. And just because something is put in print
somewhere by Weight Watchers does not mean it is without errors. The
current issue of WW Magazine has a "Quickbites" recipe for a Core muffin.
There is no such thing. A correction will be included in the next issue.

But if you use a Tablespoon of
reduced fat cheese plus 1 Tablespoon of reduced fat sour cream on your
core
chili then you should not have to count the core chili as non core.

Then don't! I wouldn't. I use my best judgement. Last night I had a
tostada made of chicken simmered in taco seasonings, fat-free refried beans,
lettuce, pico de gallo, shredded FF cheddar, guacamole, FF sour cream, all
on a couple of corn tortillas which I warmed by heating in a skillet with a
little oil. I counted the oil as less than a quarter point, the tortillas
as 4 points, and the guacamole (which is technically non-Core) I counted as
Core because It contained only Core ingredients and is not a trigger food
for me. Maybe I should have counted the entire meal as non-Core because of
the ingredients, but I didn't. I used my best judgement. I had one
serving, recognized I was satisfied, counted my Points, and slept like a
baby without worrying about it.

Yet the new rule says that you have to despite the fact that the Getting
started
book directs you to use your best judgement. So do we use our best
judgement
or do we follow this new unwritten rule? Hense the confusion.

An unwritten rule is no rule at all. Follow the Getting Started book. The
whole point of the Core Plan is not having to track or count. I figure if
my own best judgement is causing me to be successful then I am making the
right choices. Use your own best judgement, Laura, and see how you do. If
you make wise decisions I know you will do just fine.

- Fred #2