Blame Your Mother

Stacey Bender wrote in message
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http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...d=218392048&ca
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Maybe I'm missing something here. My mother was not a mouse.

Matthew

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
Speak for yourself (pot-kettle here).

You are the one speaking for all obese people. You are the one saying
its always doable for everyone and if it isn't it's only because they
are weak and lazy.

I have decades of firsthand experience as an obese person

I am sure that is unique in this group.

and pleny of empathy and sympathy for those
who are trying to do something about it.

I don't really care about empathy and sympathy. I care about knowing why
losing weight is so hard. That means the biology top to bottom, of which
we still know very little.

What I don't care for are FFID's
like yourself who decide to blame the world and your genetics for your
choices.

You are projecting and you have no idea about my choice. I have found my
learning to be very helpful in attaining my own success. The it doesn't
matter approach you have has never worked for me. Actually knowing the
challenges I face is helpful.


If you prefer the taste of food over being a healthy weight,
that's your CHOICE.

Judgemental, arrogant, and again, projecting.


You're picking a fight with the wrong person here.

I am not picking anything. That you personalize everything as an attack
on your own identity, is your choice.

I've spent the last 20
years dealing with at eating disorder that pretty much dominated my
life.

And you think you are the same as everyone else and what works for you
will work for everyone else?

I understand what it is like to feel like you're out of control and
can't help
yourself probably more than you ever have from reading your articles.

Should we hug? You apparently know little and want to know even less.
For example, if you understood the relationship of food on your opiate
and dopamine systems that might be revealing. That your body fights back
with leptin and ghrelin and a dozen others chemicals to keep you hungry
migh be revealing. Most people still think hunger is psychological!

I didn't just wake up cured one day.

You aren't cured now. Food is an addiction that doesn't go away.

"Food is an addiction"?? Your pathologizing of food is an interesting, and
revealing, insight. Are you sure you don't have an eating disorder?


Not everyone is willing to do that.

Why do you think that is? Where's the line? What makes the decision for
different people? If you think it is because people aren't hard workers
you don't know a thing. You know your own pain. Very well. But that
doesn't tell you much else.

For the same reasons that most people don't exercise regularly, watch crap
on TV instead of reading a good book, etc., etc. It's easier to sit, eat,
and be entertained...despite the fact that it's worse for you in the long
run.

GG


It
doesn't make them a bad person but they're no victim either. So take
your
"macho" crap and shove it.

It's not on my diet, sorry.

Nunya B. wrote:
Nope, but then again I'm not the one coming up with a million excuses about
why things won't work.

What excuse have I ever given?

I never said that what I did for me is what will
work for everyone else. Again, it's obvious that if you don't put words in
the mouths of those who disagree with you then you can't seem to make your
case.

So when you say you did it so it's doable unless they afraid of hard
work and discomfort, that is putting words in your mouth?


And what exactly am I to do with that info besides be absolutely fascinated?

You aren't fascinated?

I know that when I'm hungry I need to address it.

You know what you know.

What works for me is not
to cram a box of oreos down my throat and then complain about my leptin
levels.

Interesint that people in the diabetes group are very interested in how
the diesease works and use that information to bolster and motivate
their treatment, even though in the end it comes down to exercise and
eat to the meter.

Very true. I'm in recovery. However, I'm not an addict, I'm a bulimic.
Don't call someone stupid and spell it wrong...

I don't recall saying you were stupid.


I know what I see and observe. I also know that it isn't only because
people aren't hard workers and that life gets in the way. However I also
know that making excuses isn't getting the job done.

So, as I diabetic am a making excuse that my blood sugars rise because I
am insulin resistant and my beta cells are half dead? Is that an excuse
or a reason? When I try to figure out the same sort of cause in effect
for obesity that is excuse making.

I can tell you that knowing I am IR means I take metformin because it
helps reverse IR. If there's a similar pathway for obesity you would say
it doesn't matter. I know I shouldn't eat oreos or something like that.

Do us both a favor and stop whining about how judgemental people are being
toward you when you're the one who started judging those who you disagreed
with. I am only giving back what you're giving out.

You aren't giving much back at all:
1. I know what I see and observe.
2. It's doable. If not you are afraid of hard work or discomfort.
3. Trying to understand your condition is negative and excuse making.

GaryG wrote:
For the same reasons that most people don't exercise regularly, watch crap
on TV instead of reading a good book, etc., etc. It's easier to sit, eat,
and be entertained...despite the fact that it's worse for you in the long
run.

And why is it easier?

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:
For the same reasons that most people don't exercise regularly, watch
crap
on TV instead of reading a good book, etc., etc. It's easier to sit,
eat,
and be entertained...despite the fact that it's worse for you in the
long
run.

And why is it easier?

Because food provides psychological comfort, and because exercise requires
sweating.

BTW - could you please learn to properly quote, and not snip so much? If
you don't wish to respond, that's OK, but leave the message intact.

You aren't cured now. Food is an addiction that doesn't go away.

"Food is an addiction"?? Your pathologizing of food is an interesting,
and
revealing, insight. Are you sure you don't have an eating disorder?

GG

GaryG wrote:
And why is it easier?


Because food provides psychological comfort

What is psychological about it? Food has physical impacts on the body.
Fat and sugar activate the same pleausure and reward systems as other
drugs. You like it because it physically feels good. Your body make it
feel good so you will eat. Your body wants you to eat. It's not just a
mental phenomena.

and because exercise requires
sweating.

What about sweating is bad? We sweat during sex and don't mind.

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
Nope, but then again I'm not the one coming up with a million excuses
about why things won't work.

What excuse have I ever given?

"For most people most of the time will they be able to win over the vast
forces against them?"
the leptin deficiency excuse
etc.

I never said that what I did for me is what will work for everyone else.
Again, it's obvious that if you don't put words in the mouths of those who
disagree with you then you can't seem to make your case.

So when you say you did it so it's doable unless they afraid of hard work
and discomfort, that is putting words in your mouth?

I said that in today's society people don't want to deal with hard work or
discomfort and are looking for an easy fix. I didn't said that "it's doable
unless they are afraid". It was a response to your comment about people
"winning over the vast forces against them." First you have yet to prove
that there are VAST forces because really dear, even if 5% of the population
is leptin deficient, that's not vast by any stretch of the imagination
except maybe yours.

Second, you yourself have argued in other threads about how convenience is
such a critical factor for people. People in today's society dislike
inconvenience ie discomfort. When they're hungry they want to eat THIS VERY
MINUTE. I'm not talking about the minute percentage of people with
legitimate disorders and illnesses. If you think this society today in the
US is not "discomfort avoidant" for lack of a better term than you aren't
living here or maybe you need to take a break from your computer screen.

And what exactly am I to do with that info besides be absolutely
fascinated?

You aren't fascinated?

Fascination has nothing to do with how it is going to help me in the
immediate present. I live each day one day at a time, not looking toward a
future that may never happen. Just because I am not into the medical aspect
of this does not make me less intelligent or inquisitive about other facets
of the world. I am more fascinated by reading things related to how people
overcame obstacles to become successful.

I know that when I'm hungry I need to address it.

You know what you know.

What works for me is not to cram a box of oreos down my throat and then
complain about my leptin levels.

Interesint that people in the diabetes group are very interested in how
the diesease works and use that information to bolster and motivate their
treatment, even though in the end it comes down to exercise and eat to the
meter.

But not every person with diabetes is that interested. That doesn't make
them stupid.

Very true. I'm in recovery. However, I'm not an addict, I'm a bulimic.
Don't call someone stupid and spell it wrong...

I don't recall saying you were stupid.

Not specifically, but the snarky comments in your posts, including
incorrectly referring to my problem as food addiction (which it isn't) imply
it to most people with an IQ higher than room temperature.

I know what I see and observe. I also know that it isn't only because
people aren't hard workers and that life gets in the way. However I also
know that making excuses isn't getting the job done.

So, as I diabetic am a making excuse that my blood sugars rise because I
am insulin resistant and my beta cells are half dead? Is that an excuse or
a reason? When I try to figure out the same sort of cause in effect for
obesity that is excuse making.

You have gone beyond figuring it out and have assumed all of this theory
you're quoting is concrete fact when even though there is more known now
than 10 years ago, there is still barely a scratch on the surface.

I can tell you that knowing I am IR means I take metformin because it
helps reverse IR. If there's a similar pathway for obesity you would say
it doesn't matter. I know I shouldn't eat oreos or something like that.

When they find it, great, until then the only way that has been known to
work is to take in fewer calories than you expend. I have no problem with
using drugs to treat an illness. If it weren't for drugs, my weight would
probably be way out of control again.

Do us both a favor and stop whining about how judgemental people are
being toward you when you're the one who started judging those who you
disagreed with. I am only giving back what you're giving out.

You aren't giving much back at all:
1. I know what I see and observe.
2. It's doable. If not you are afraid of hard work or discomfort.
3. Trying to understand your condition is negative and excuse making.

Sorry it isn't enough for you. Maybe you should go play with someone else
for a while. I'm going back to my real life as I've ****ed away way too
much time on this frivolity.
--
the volleyballchick

Stacey Bender wrote:
http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...392048&cat=all

If this is true then there's a whole generation of Americans who are
pickles, ice cream and cigarettes.


--Snappy