Starvation

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:37:51 +0100, "Jay" sales@*remove this
bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote:


This is why I asked the question about how many calories I need to survive
and function on in my original post - when I refer to starvation diet thats
more what I am talking about that just taking water for weeks or months.

There's no answer to you question. You'd have to have a group of
people who did what you propose, under controlled conditions, to come
up with the statistics.

What we do know is that people who undergo starvation lose a lot of
lean body mass, and what you want to lose is fat. So that will reduce
your metabolic rate substantially and make it hard for you to maintain
any weight loss. Your stress level will rise from the starvation and
your body will throw a bunch of free radicals, which will increase
your risk of things like heart attack and stroke. But there's no way
to give you any statistics, cause they don't exist.

So you can either do something that won't work, or you can start on a
diet and exercise plan. This is alt.support.diet, not
alt.support.starvation.


Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:37:51 +0100, "Jay" sales@*remove this
bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote:


This is why I asked the question about how many calories I need to survive
and function on in my original post - when I refer to starvation diet thats
more what I am talking about that just taking water for weeks or months.

There's no answer to you question. You'd have to have a group of
people who did what you propose, under controlled conditions, to come
up with the statistics.

What we do know is that people who undergo starvation lose a lot of
lean body mass, and what you want to lose is fat. So that will reduce
your metabolic rate substantially and make it hard for you to maintain
any weight loss. Your stress level will rise from the starvation and
your body will throw a bunch of free radicals, which will increase
your risk of things like heart attack and stroke. But there's no way
to give you any statistics, cause they don't exist.

So you can either do something that won't work, or you can start on a
diet and exercise plan. This is alt.support.diet, not
alt.support.starvation.


Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/

(CygnusX-1) wrote in message . com...
Try the subway diet: footlong turkey sub with veggies,
no mayo, no oil, no cheese, etc baked chips, diet pop for twice a day.
Walk about 3-5 miles a day. You will see results in a few weeks.


Don't believe everything you see on TV commercials. What you describe
is a low-calorie version of the Sumo wrestler diet. The best result
one can hope for is to look like Jarred - 30% body fat and an extremly
low metabolism.

Of course, clinical studies have shown than only less than 5% can
expect the results that Jarred got from this plan. One of the
benifits of serving millions this crap is that it means that they'll
never run out of testimonials.

Low fat dieting has been shown to be a hoax! After spending $750
million on long term nutritional research, the U.S. government and
Harvard found no correlation between heart disease and saturated
animal fat. They did find that increassing animal fat consumption
lowered the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity. See
Gary Taubes article "The Soft Science of Dietary Fat" ( from
Science)at: http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

(CygnusX-1) wrote in message . com...
Try the subway diet: footlong turkey sub with veggies,
no mayo, no oil, no cheese, etc baked chips, diet pop for twice a day.
Walk about 3-5 miles a day. You will see results in a few weeks.


Don't believe everything you see on TV commercials. What you describe
is a low-calorie version of the Sumo wrestler diet. The best result
one can hope for is to look like Jarred - 30% body fat and an extremly
low metabolism.

Of course, clinical studies have shown than only less than 5% can
expect the results that Jarred got from this plan. One of the
benifits of serving millions this crap is that it means that they'll
never run out of testimonials.

Low fat dieting has been shown to be a hoax! After spending $750
million on long term nutritional research, the U.S. government and
Harvard found no correlation between heart disease and saturated
animal fat. They did find that increassing animal fat consumption
lowered the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity. See
Gary Taubes article "The Soft Science of Dietary Fat" ( from
Science)at: http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

(CygnusX-1) wrote in message . com...
Try the subway diet: footlong turkey sub with veggies,
no mayo, no oil, no cheese, etc baked chips, diet pop for twice a day.
Walk about 3-5 miles a day. You will see results in a few weeks.


Don't believe everything you see on TV commercials. What you describe
is a low-calorie version of the Sumo wrestler diet. The best result
one can hope for is to look like Jarred - 30% body fat and an extremly
low metabolism.

Of course, clinical studies have shown than only less than 5% can
expect the results that Jarred got from this plan. One of the
benifits of serving millions this crap is that it means that they'll
never run out of testimonials.

Low fat dieting has been shown to be a hoax! After spending $750
million on long term nutritional research, the U.S. government and
Harvard found no correlation between heart disease and saturated
animal fat. They did find that increassing animal fat consumption
lowered the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity. See
Gary Taubes article "The Soft Science of Dietary Fat" ( from
Science)at: http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

Actually I did the subway diet before jarrod made it famous. I lost
nearly
25 pounds about 4 years ago by eating a 6in sub for lunch and dinner.
Unfortunately about 4 years later I put all the weight (and more!)
back on. I applied the subway diet again and lost about 30 pounds this
year. This time I will continue to monitor my weight twice a day (nite
and morning) to keep track of my weight; I didnt do that last time ;-)
So the low fat/low calorie diet works for me.

Cygnus
The Bringer of Balance


(Ray Audette) wrote in message
Don't believe everything you see on TV commercials. What you describe
is a low-calorie version of the Sumo wrestler diet. The best result
one can hope for is to look like Jarred - 30% body fat and an extremly
low metabolism.

Of course, clinical studies have shown than only less than 5% can
expect the results that Jarred got from this plan. One of the
benifits of serving millions this crap is that it means that they'll
never run out of testimonials.

Low fat dieting has been shown to be a hoax! After spending $750
million on long term nutritional research, the U.S. government and
Harvard found no correlation between heart disease and saturated
animal fat. They did find that increassing animal fat consumption
lowered the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity. See
Gary Taubes article "The Soft Science of Dietary Fat" ( from
Science)at: http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

Actually I did the subway diet before jarrod made it famous. I lost
nearly
25 pounds about 4 years ago by eating a 6in sub for lunch and dinner.
Unfortunately about 4 years later I put all the weight (and more!)
back on. I applied the subway diet again and lost about 30 pounds this
year. This time I will continue to monitor my weight twice a day (nite
and morning) to keep track of my weight; I didnt do that last time ;-)
So the low fat/low calorie diet works for me.

Cygnus
The Bringer of Balance


(Ray Audette) wrote in message
Don't believe everything you see on TV commercials. What you describe
is a low-calorie version of the Sumo wrestler diet. The best result
one can hope for is to look like Jarred - 30% body fat and an extremly
low metabolism.

Of course, clinical studies have shown than only less than 5% can
expect the results that Jarred got from this plan. One of the
benifits of serving millions this crap is that it means that they'll
never run out of testimonials.

Low fat dieting has been shown to be a hoax! After spending $750
million on long term nutritional research, the U.S. government and
Harvard found no correlation between heart disease and saturated
animal fat. They did find that increassing animal fat consumption
lowered the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity. See
Gary Taubes article "The Soft Science of Dietary Fat" ( from
Science)at: http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/01Taubesarticle1.html

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

"Heywood Mogroot" wrote in message
om...

My personal sample size of 2 friends-of-friends says optifast doesn't
work.

Wow, quite scientific.

Instead of mouthing on somethiing you obviously don't know much about, why
don't you actually listen to those who have been successful with it?

Martha