Starvation

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:39:25 GMT, Barbara Hirsch
wrote:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:20:31 -0400, "Patricia Heil"
wrote:


It's great at killing you. Many people have posted here that after trying
starvation diets, it rebounded on them. Don't do it. Start an exercise
program and learn to eat healthy.

You don't read much do you? Jay Jay is one of the all-time exercisers
in this group.

I think you've got the wrong person Barbara. This isn't the
"original" jay jay - it's a different poster.

janice

"Anny Middon" wrote in message . com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or
custom designed exercise plans.

Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all
back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the
real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits.

pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast
enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of
one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods
wisely throughout the day.

"Anny Middon" wrote in message . com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or
custom designed exercise plans.

Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all
back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the
real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits.

pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast
enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of
one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods
wisely throughout the day.

"Heywood Mogroot" wrote in message
om...
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
. com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose
weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps
you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group
sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you,
or
custom designed exercise plans.

Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all
back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the
real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits.

pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast
enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of
one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods
wisely throughout the day.

I did a VLCD and didn't "gain it all back and then some." The OP didn't
seem like someone who is reasonable enough to be patient and wait 2 years to
get to goal weight so in his case (morbidly obese), a VLCD could be a way to
start the weight loss in *his* case. I don't necessarily recommend it for
most people, but there exists a subset of people who can benefit from them.

Try to remember your previous posts where you recognized that you were lucky
to lose weight rather easily...

Jenn

"Heywood Mogroot" wrote in message
om...
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
. com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose
weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps
you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group
sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you,
or
custom designed exercise plans.

Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all
back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the
real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits.

pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast
enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of
one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods
wisely throughout the day.

I did a VLCD and didn't "gain it all back and then some." The OP didn't
seem like someone who is reasonable enough to be patient and wait 2 years to
get to goal weight so in his case (morbidly obese), a VLCD could be a way to
start the weight loss in *his* case. I don't necessarily recommend it for
most people, but there exists a subset of people who can benefit from them.

Try to remember your previous posts where you recognized that you were lucky
to lose weight rather easily...

Jenn

Barbara Hirsch wrote in message . ..

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.


Actually, there were studies done on starvation and weight loss ( as
well as several of the weight-loss drugs promoted on Barbara's site)
in concentration camps during W.W.II. Thousand of people were
involved and the results were noted in meticulous German fashion.
Thousands died during these studies and the poor health of the few
survivors has been noted in several subsequent studies.

This data was traded to American scientists at the end of the war in
return for safe passage to Argentina for many of these Doctors. This
data was then used to calculate minimum daily requirements (MDR) for
vitamins and minerals posted by law on all food products. These
studies were also used to calculate the dosages for the weight loss
drugs when the Pharmaceutical Industry calculated that they could be
marketed profitably.

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

Barbara Hirsch wrote in message . ..

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.


Actually, there were studies done on starvation and weight loss ( as
well as several of the weight-loss drugs promoted on Barbara's site)
in concentration camps during W.W.II. Thousand of people were
involved and the results were noted in meticulous German fashion.
Thousands died during these studies and the poor health of the few
survivors has been noted in several subsequent studies.

This data was traded to American scientists at the end of the war in
return for safe passage to Argentina for many of these Doctors. This
data was then used to calculate minimum daily requirements (MDR) for
vitamins and minerals posted by law on all food products. These
studies were also used to calculate the dosages for the weight loss
drugs when the Pharmaceutical Industry calculated that they could be
marketed profitably.

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that
category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident.

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.


I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are
fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it
cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case
of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils.

Jay

If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that
category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident.

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.


I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are
fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it
cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case
of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils.

Jay

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...
If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that
category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident.

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.


I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are
fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it
cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case
of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils.

Jay

As I mentioned in an earlier post to you, you are missing the "in between." Things
don't have to be so drastic -- i.e. it's one way or another (dangerously overweight
or dangerously fasting). The "in between" is changing your eating habits and getting
more daily exercise (not killer exercise, just getting your body moving more). This
is a common trap for those over 100 lbs -- the all or nothing viewpoint. I know
because I struggled with it myself. What's wrong with changing your eating habits,
which you haven't mentioned except for saying you want to eliminate eating
altogether? Getting rid of the foods that are most troubling will help you more than
you can imagine. It doesn't have to be feast or famine. Removing the drama from food
issues is very helpful and goes a long way toward weight loss and maintenance.

Mary M
325-154-148