Kidney Stones linked to Calcium Supplements

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Thanks Vernon.

I don't mean to be too bitchy to poor Cathy

Don't worry about it Carole; for people to be hurt by your comments,
you have to presuppose a degree of respect for your opinion.

, but feel she asks for it.

Charming.


If people don't understand ANYTHING about cellsalts,

That would be you, Carole, as you've demostrated quite clearly.

Oh right Cathy, I am the person in this newsgroup who knows more about
calcium deficiency that anybody.
What do you know about mineral deficiencies?

As a woman who has given birth to several children, you should be aware how
deficiencies can come about. Some women, not all, have problems with calcium
deficiency during and after pregnancy with rapid tooth decay, and I've even
heard about women losing bone from their spines and shrinking.

no desire to hear what
I've learned,


That's apparently nothing, Carole; in fact you stated clearly your
unwillingness to learn anything in case people were conspiring to fool
you.

That's easy for you to say.


and no actual insight into alternative health, why the heck do
they bother responding?

Because your idiocies are such a provocation.

You do like shooting from the lip, don't you?


Carole
http://www.cellsalts.net

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Where's the carbon molecule in salt? (hint: look up what
"organic"
means
in chemistry)

I didn't claim it was organic. JohnDope inferred such.

No he didn't. And he didn't imply it either. Someone else did.


"So explain to everyone the basis for your thesis that table salt
is
organic." JohnDope

Vern, you fool. JohnDoe was expressing incredulity that Carole
obviously didn't *know* that NaCl is inorganic, but was inferring it
from the supposed behaviour of her beloved cell salts.

It takes a dope to know a dope Cathy, and you're a big one.
If I've never done chemistry how would I know if anything was organic
or
inorganic?

The BEST post I have seen from almost anyone. (That's a compliment.)



If you don't see fit to offer any explanation except ridicule and ad
hominem
slights, why don't you have a snicker at this, and who needs your
opinions
anyway?

From www.dictionary.com
"Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter. "

The fact that I worked it out without a knowledge of your precious
chemistry, shows there is more than one way to work something out.

She has no clue of chemistry beyond early intro at sub high school level
OR
she helps mix stuff that others say how.

Oh, Vern. I'm afraid that your posts have made it quite clear that you
are utterly unqualified to judge anyone else's level of education,
since you've shown over and over that you don't understand your own
posts, let alone anyone else's.

And your pronouncements on chemistry, biology and physics have been the
sublimest comedy, and utterly exposed your (strangely non-specific)
lies about your education and career.


Excuse me if I don't believe every ounce of what you say about Vernon.
Your opinions are subjective and emotive ...probably hormonally influenced.

And remember what they said about DrC that he didn't know the basics of
conventional medicine?
No, he had worked himself past it into more enlightened theories.
As Dr C said himself, he got honors in some of his subjects but found out
later that a lot of the things he learnt had to be unlearnt and replaced
with more advanced theories which have been suppressed.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net

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Carole wrote:
"cathyb" wrote in message
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Where's the carbon molecule in salt? (hint: look up what
"organic"
means
in chemistry)

I didn't claim it was organic. JohnDope inferred such.

No he didn't. And he didn't imply it either. Someone else did.


"So explain to everyone the basis for your thesis that table salt is
organic." JohnDope

Vern, you fool. JohnDoe was expressing incredulity that Carole
obviously didn't *know* that NaCl is inorganic, but was inferring it
from the supposed behaviour of her beloved cell salts.

It takes a dope to know a dope Cathy, and you're a big one.

Realise what you just said about yourself Carole? However, it's the
level of debate we expect from you.


If I've never done chemistry how would I know if anything was organic or
inorganic?

Exactly, Carole. And yet here you are, wandering about telling people
there are such things as organic cell salts, because they can be
absorbed by the human body, and inorganic salts, because they can't.
You're wrong of course, and you've just explained why.

OK, you've got me there. But I was hoping that somebody who knew more than
me could shed a bit of light.
Nobody has still answered the question, and I don't expect them to either at
this point, why it is said that we get enough sodium in our diets because we
consume table salt.

On the same vein I suppose you could say that sodium fluoride in our
drinking water was a nutrient, which we all know by now is nothing of the
kind, and no scientific studies have ever proved that it prevents tooth
decay.


If you don't see fit to offer any explanation except ridicule and ad
hominem
slights, why don't you have a snicker at this, and who needs your
opinions
anyway?

But Carole, I did explain. I explained that sodium chloride and your
ridiculous cell salts are inorganic. The fact that you don't understand
things doesn't mean that people haven't explained them to you.

Ok, you got me on that one, but my questions still remain about table salt.
Dieticians say we get enough sodium but I disagree. Table salt does none of
the things that sodium phosphate, sodium sulphate or homeopathic sodium
chloride do. But I wouldn't expect you to be able to answer anything
meaningful on that topic.

I have found a few comments on table salt from a couple of people - and they
make the same comment that table salt isn't the same as organic sodium which
is needed by the body to neutralise acids.



From www.dictionary.com
"Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter. "

Carole, use your head. When you are talking about salts, you are
talking about chemistry. Sodium chloride is inorganic, as are *all* of
your precious cell salts. No matter what their source.

Many of the cellsalts I take are in homeopathic form. Do you know anything
about homeopathy?


The fact that I worked it out without a knowledge of your precious
chemistry, shows there is more than one way to work something out.

Except you didn't, Carole. In fact you posted something cretinous in
another thread claiming that sodium from plants serves another function
in the body than sodium from NaCl, LOL. (of course that would make your
cellsalt sodium chloride wrong too!)



JohnDoe obviously assumed you were deliberately misunderstanding his
post (a fair assumption, since it was bloody obvious what he meant),
which is why he called you a troll.

You're the troll Cathy, because you don't offer any information or
insights
into alternative medicine, or any sort of medicine, just smears and
snickers.

And for somebody who supposedly has a science education you make me
wonder
... perhaps you actually dropped out and are working as a waitress or an
barmaid, or one of those people who clean hotel rooms.

Oh, Carole, you poor little pet. You too can get yourself an education,
formal or otherwise, you know.

I think its a bit late in the game for me to be learning science from
scratch.

Pretending to yourself that everyone
else is in the same position as you won't do it, however.

So what do you do with your science education ...anything meaningful?
You see its not so much what you know, but what you do with it that matters.

So in that sense, if I know a little and put it to good use, and you know a
lot and use it to make poisonous chemicals, I am putting what I know to
better use than you.


Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net

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I am telling you that homeopathic sodium chloride alleviates house
dust
allergies and allergic rhinitis, amongst other things. But you are
WAY
too
ignorant to listen to anybody's opinion except your own.



Sodium Chloride is sodium chloride. There is no such thing as
homeopathic
sodium chloride.

If you go into a health shop and ask for homeopathic sodium chloride,
I'm
sure the attendant will be able to comply to your request, which
wouldn't
be
the case if there was no such thing as you suggest.


They would give you a bag of sea salt.

Possibly. You'd have to ask for sodium chloride cellsalts, or nat mur 6x as
it is otherwise known.



NOW

A homeopathic solution (extremely weak solution of sodium chloride) can
do
exactly what you said.

Is that right ... And you know this how ...And how weak does it have to
be?

You see, I suspect that you Vernon, don't know anything about
homeopathy.
Homeopathy is when a very small amount of the active ingredient is put
in
water and then shaken about 500 times. Then a very small amount of that
shaken substance is added to another lot of water and shaken again.
Do this repeatedly, and for every time it is done it is called [the
amount
of times] X, eg six times shaken = 6X.


Let's get accurate
USING X

1 part active ingredient with 9 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =
1X
= .1 solution
1 part 1X with 9 parts solvent = 2X = .01 solution
1 part 2X with 9 parts solvent = 3X = .001 solution
1 part 3X with 9 parts solvent = 4X = .0001 solution
1 part 4X with 9 parts solvent = 5X = .00001 solution
1 part 5X with 9 parts solvent = 6X = .000001 solution
1 part 6X with 9 parts solvent = 7X = .0000001 solution
1 part 7X with 9 parts solvent = 8X = .00000001 solution
1 part 8X with 9 parts solvent = 9X = .000000001 solution
1 part 9X with 9 parts solvent = 10X = .0000000001 solution


Using C
1 part active ingredient with 99 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =
1C = .01 solution
1 part 1C with 99 parts solvent = 2C = .0001 solution
1 part 2C with 99 parts solvent = 3C = .00001 solution
1 part 3C with 99 parts solvent = 4C = .000001 solution
1 part 4C with 99 parts solvent = 5C = .0000001 solution
1 part 5C with 99 parts solvent = 6C = .00000001 solution
1 part 6C with 99 parts solvent = 7C = .000000001 solution
1 part 7C with 99 parts solvent = 8C = .0000000001 solution
1 part 8C with 99 parts solvent = 9C = .00000000001 solution
1 part 9C with 99 parts solvent = 10C = .000000000001 solution


A 6X homeopathic solution of sodium chloride would be 1 part (TABLE SALT,
NON IODIZED) and 99999999 parts solvent.
Now if you actually think they shake each of the 10 steps 500 times you
have
got to believe that they wave a voodoo doll over it in the process.

Go to a factory and see.

"vernon" wrote in message
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Is that right ... And you know this how ...And how weak does it have to
be?

You see, I suspect that you Vernon, don't know anything about
homeopathy.
Homeopathy is when a very small amount of the active ingredient is put
in
water and then shaken about 500 times. Then a very small amount of that
shaken substance is added to another lot of water and shaken again.
Do this repeatedly, and for every time it is done it is called [the
amount
of times] X, eg six times shaken = 6X.


Let's get accurate
USING X

1 part active ingredient with 9 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =
1X
= .1 solution
1 part 1X with 9 parts solvent = 2X = .01 solution
1 part 2X with 9 parts solvent = 3X = .001 solution
1 part 3X with 9 parts solvent = 4X = .0001 solution
1 part 4X with 9 parts solvent = 5X = .00001 solution
1 part 5X with 9 parts solvent = 6X = .000001 solution
1 part 6X with 9 parts solvent = 7X = .0000001 solution
1 part 7X with 9 parts solvent = 8X = .00000001 solution
1 part 8X with 9 parts solvent = 9X = .000000001 solution
1 part 9X with 9 parts solvent = 10X = .0000000001 solution


Using C
1 part active ingredient with 99 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =
1C = .01 solution
1 part 1C with 99 parts solvent = 2C = .0001 solution
1 part 2C with 99 parts solvent = 3C = .00001 solution
1 part 3C with 99 parts solvent = 4C = .000001 solution
1 part 4C with 99 parts solvent = 5C = .0000001 solution
1 part 5C with 99 parts solvent = 6C = .00000001 solution
1 part 6C with 99 parts solvent = 7C = .000000001 solution
1 part 7C with 99 parts solvent = 8C = .0000000001 solution
1 part 8C with 99 parts solvent = 9C = .00000000001 solution
1 part 9C with 99 parts solvent = 10C = .000000000001 solution


A 6X homeopathic solution of sodium chloride would be 1 part (TABLE SALT,
NON IODIZED) and 99999999 parts solvent.
Now if you actually think they shake each of the 10 steps 500 times you
have
got to believe that they wave a voodoo doll over it in the process.

Go to a factory and see.

I heard they shake the homeopathic formula 500 times with each X.
If you know differently, why don't you enlighten us.

Carole
http://www.cellsalts.net

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Carole wrote:

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vernon wrote:
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Where's the carbon molecule in salt? (hint: look up what
"organic" means in chemistry)

I didn't claim it was organic. JohnDope inferred such.

No he didn't. And he didn't imply it either. Someone else did.


"So explain to everyone the basis for your thesis that table salt
is
organic." JohnDope

Vern, you fool. JohnDoe was expressing incredulity that Carole
obviously didn't *know* that NaCl is inorganic, but was inferring it
from the supposed behaviour of her beloved cell salts.

It takes a dope to know a dope Cathy, and you're a big one.
If I've never done chemistry how would I know if anything was organic
or
inorganic?

The BEST post I have seen from almost anyone. (That's a compliment.)


If you don't see fit to offer any explanation except ridicule
and ad hominemslights, why don't you have a snicker at this,
and who needs your opinions anyway?

From www.dictionary.com
"Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter. "

The fact that I worked it out without a knowledge of your precious
chemistry, shows there is more than one way to work something out.

She has no clue of chemistry beyond early intro at sub high
school level OR she helps mix stuff that others say how.

Oh, Vern. I'm afraid that your posts have made it quite clear that you
are utterly unqualified to judge anyone else's level of education,
since you've shown over and over that you don't understand your own
posts, let alone anyone else's.

And your pronouncements on chemistry, biology and physics have been the
sublimest comedy, and utterly exposed your (strangely non-specific)
lies about your education and career.

Excuse me if I don't believe every ounce of what you say about Vernon.
Your opinions are subjective and emotive ...probably hormonally influenced.

And yours are not?

And remember what they said about DrC that he didn't know the basics of
conventional medicine?

Quite rightly, too. He's unburdened himself of some of the most
inadvertently hilarious stuff.

No, he had worked himself past it into more enlightened theories.
As Dr C said himself, he got honors in some of his subjects but found out
later that a lot of the things he learnt had to be unlearnt and replaced
with more advanced theories which have been suppressed.

How do you know he's telling the truth, Carole? How do you know he
has any degrees at all? For all you know, he's some nut posting from
the local looney bin.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

Carole wrote:

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Is that right ... And you know this how ...And how weak does it have to
be?

You see, I suspect that you Vernon, don't know anything about

homeopathy.

Homeopathy is when a very small amount of the active ingredient is put

in

water and then shaken about 500 times. Then a very small amount of that
shaken substance is added to another lot of water and shaken again.
Do this repeatedly, and for every time it is done it is called [the

amount

of times] X, eg six times shaken = 6X.


Let's get accurate
USING X

1 part active ingredient with 9 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =

1X

= .1 solution
1 part 1X with 9 parts solvent = 2X = .01 solution
1 part 2X with 9 parts solvent = 3X = .001 solution
1 part 3X with 9 parts solvent = 4X = .0001 solution
1 part 4X with 9 parts solvent = 5X = .00001 solution
1 part 5X with 9 parts solvent = 6X = .000001 solution
1 part 6X with 9 parts solvent = 7X = .0000001 solution
1 part 7X with 9 parts solvent = 8X = .00000001 solution
1 part 8X with 9 parts solvent = 9X = .000000001 solution
1 part 9X with 9 parts solvent = 10X = .0000000001 solution


Using C
1 part active ingredient with 99 parts solvent ( type of solvent varies) =
1C = .01 solution
1 part 1C with 99 parts solvent = 2C = .0001 solution
1 part 2C with 99 parts solvent = 3C = .00001 solution
1 part 3C with 99 parts solvent = 4C = .000001 solution
1 part 4C with 99 parts solvent = 5C = .0000001 solution
1 part 5C with 99 parts solvent = 6C = .00000001 solution
1 part 6C with 99 parts solvent = 7C = .000000001 solution
1 part 7C with 99 parts solvent = 8C = .0000000001 solution
1 part 8C with 99 parts solvent = 9C = .00000000001 solution
1 part 9C with 99 parts solvent = 10C = .000000000001 solution


A 6X homeopathic solution of sodium chloride would be 1 part (TABLE SALT,
NON IODIZED) and 99999999 parts solvent.
Now if you actually think they shake each of the 10 steps 500 times you

have

got to believe that they wave a voodoo doll over it in the process.

Go to a factory and see.


I heard they shake the homeopathic formula 500 times with each X.
If you know differently, why don't you enlighten us.

Carole
http://www.cellsalts.net

Hahnemann, the guy who 'invented' homeopathy, originally prescribed 40
shakes. He did this by slamming a bottle with a preparation onto his
leatherbound notebook. He brought that back to 10 'shakes', since he got
the same results with that number (which does not surprise me). He also
gave warnings to his followers to be careful handling the preparations.
For instance, they should not put them in their pockets, because they
would continually shake them while walking and this might make the
preparations too powerfull.