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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
Teena wrote:
Ignoramus18262 wrote: I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. You know, I think genetics play such a huge component in cholesterol. My father, who ran at least 5 miles a day, had insanely high cholesterol, over 300 I think. The only person I ever knew who was in better shape than my old man is my brother, who is a triathlete. He has gotten his cholesterol down, but it's over 200 and pretty high. My willowy, slender aunt who has NEVER been overweight is on one of those cholesterol reducing drugs, can't remember which. And me, totally out of shape and overweight, I have high cholesterol, too. So, genetics? I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, I don't either. My brother eats right, exercises all the time, does triathlons like they are going out of style, has a body most men would kill to have, and has high cholesterol. How can high cholesterol be unhealthy if someone so healthy has it? Or does it just not matter if a healthy person has it, but does if someone unhealthy has it? I don't know. Funny story -- my brother offered to teach me a routine at the gym (I had a new member's guest passes). I told him we could go immediately, but he had left his wallet at his apartment and wouldn't go with me until he got his id. He said he wanted to be able to prove he was my brother (same last name) because when he had shown a friend of his how to exercise and use the equipment at her gym the staff had asked him to leave. The staff thought he was some kind of rogue, freelance personal trainer poaching clients. but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. Jim Fixx. Look it up. -- Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.” |
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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 28, 11:50 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM. 18262.invalid wrote: I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. i I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one. The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good for you at any rate, Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is this a form of mass mind control? I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was Trigs=47, HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208. My doctor didn't seem worried about that. but if you have genes that make you likely to live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our cholesterol intake though. dkw Right.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No conspiracy theories please, No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just going to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as research and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this time. at least not with cholesterol. Just don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary. You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge of any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research paper? |
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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
On Sep 28, 7:49 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 28, 11:50 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM. 18262.invalid wrote: I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. i I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one. The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good for you at any rate, Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is this a form of mass mind control? I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was Trigs=47, HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208. My doctor didn't seem worried about that. but if you have genes that make you likely to live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our cholesterol intake though. dkw Right.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No conspiracy theories please, No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just going to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as research and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this time. at least not with cholesterol. Just don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary. You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge of any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research paper?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school. I've read a lot of research papers. Again, you are wrong because you base your conclusions on little or no information. dkw |
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"Teena" wrote in message ... wrote: snip I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school. You're a dentist? Do you mind if I solicit free dental advice? Teena, I'm not a dentist but have been in a similar situation (more than once). Ask for valium and take it before you head in. You need a prescription, of course, so you'd better hit the dentists office on Monday morning to get it handled. It helped me a hell of a lot, and I hope it helps you too. It totally relaxes you and makes you not nervous. Mike |
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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 28, 7:49 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 28, 11:50 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM. 18262.invalid wrote: I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. i I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one. The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good for you at any rate, Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is this a form of mass mind control? I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was Trigs=47, HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208. My doctor didn't seem worried about that. but if you have genes that make you likely to live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our cholesterol intake though. dkw Right.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No conspiracy theories please, No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just going to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as research and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this time. at least not with cholesterol. Just don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary. You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge of any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research paper?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school. So? I've read a lot of research papers. Again, you are wrong because you base your conclusions on little or no information. dkw When? 20 years ago? |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:57:21 GMT, Tom G. wrote:
"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote: "Ignoramus18262" wrote in message ... I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. i That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping active? I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough. i That's not too bad. Thanks... It is nothing to brag about, but yes, it could have been worse. I had a kid #2 and that really affected how much I could exercise. i |
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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
You know that diet isn't the biggest factor with cholesterol - its
genetics. You've probably read about the traditional diet of the Masai warriors in Africa - essentially blood and milk, a very high cholesterol diet. These guys have very low serum cholesterol levels - pure genetics. We know genetics can cause some people to be resistant to a cholesterol-lowering diet - or to be more sensitive to a high-fat diet. All you can do is hope to moderate it with diet. There are people with familial hypercholesterolaemia - and they do need drugs on top of a low fat diet to keep their levels down. They could pretty much eliminate every scrap of cholesterol from their diet, and their bodies would still make enough to keep their levels too high. Your liver manufactures something like 1,000 mg of cholesterol a day (and more in some people). An additional 200 to 500 mg can come from diet. Its the same thing with salt and blood pressure. Some people with high blood pressure really respond to a low salt diet, and others....well, they might as well enjoy their pretzels. Mary G |
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Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat
"Ignoramus7365" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:57:21 GMT, Tom G. wrote: "Ignoramus18262" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote: "Ignoramus18262" wrote in message ... I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets, pop, rice, etc. I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at 138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine. I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to affect it that much. I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat. i That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping active? I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough. i That's not too bad. Thanks... It is nothing to brag about, but yes, it could have been worse. I had a kid #2 and that really affected how much I could exercise. i Congratulations on having a second child. I know having a little one is time consuming. When we had our kid, both of us put on weight. Although I had been slowly putting on a couple of lbs over the years before the kid by eating more than I should and slowing down on activity, my weight climbed faster when our child arrived. Life seemed to go from actively participating in things, to passively watching my kid do her own exploring and activities. |
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