Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn

Keep in mind that lipid abnormalities are elevated grossly in people
who are
overweight. If they lose the weight then they become more normal in
lipids.
They are the same individual in terms of genetics but the variable
being the
obesity. It is not all derived from diet but from the abnormal
physiology
associated with being overweight ie "metabolic syndrome".

In fact it would perfectly explained all the confusion about
cholesterol.

Being overweight and Mets is THE cause. High cholesterol (or bad TC/HDL)
is just indication of BMI and Mets.

You are free to see what you want to see. If you ever get a heart
attack
then you might see things differently.
Statins are not the final answer and things will change.

Agree.

Mirek

Keep in mind that lipid abnormalities are elevated grossly in people
who are
overweight. If they lose the weight then they become more normal in
lipids.
They are the same individual in terms of genetics but the variable
being the
obesity. It is not all derived from diet but from the abnormal
physiology
associated with being overweight ie "metabolic syndrome".

In fact it would perfectly explained all the confusion about
cholesterol.

Being overweight and Mets is THE cause. High cholesterol (or bad TC/HDL)
is just indication of BMI and Mets.

You are free to see what you want to see. If you ever get a heart
attack
then you might see things differently.
Statins are not the final answer and things will change.

Agree.

Mirek

"Mirek Fidler" wrote in message
...
Well, as far as I am concerned saturated fat and cholesterol causes
heart disease. It always amazes me that people will pour bacon grease
into a cup and let it harden because they don't want to clog their
pipes yet they don't see the correlation with the clogging of their
arteries.

Well, you are making classical mistake - applying your kitchen
experience to human body. But it is not how it works:

Fat that gets absorbed in intestines does NOT goes directly too blood.
Instead it is packed and distributed in particles called chylomicrons -
and nobody never found chylomicrons to be harmful to arteries - for
simple reason - they are too big to penetrate and/or damage endothelium.

The fat gets stored and body mass fat does indeed have consequences in terms
of breast cancer.


Now carbs are converted to saturated fat in liver and transported in
VLDL particles. After loosing its fat contents, VLDL become LDL - so
called bad cholesterol. Now amount of insulin secreted probably affects
LDL size. Smaller LDL is supposed to be more likely to penetrate
endothelium and oxidize and plague to grow.

Mirek

"Mirek Fidler" wrote in message
...
2) Lowering cholesterol by means of diet does not work

Who said it has to be dietary cholesterol that is the sole problem.
The body
makes cholesterol on it's own and it is a genetic misprint in the
balance.
Look at this logic. Glucose is not the problem in type I diabetes
because a
low carb diet does not cure and people die.

I think he speaks about lowering LDL by low-fat diet. Not dietary
cholesterol.

And, BTW, IMO research consistetly shows why it is so: while low-fat
decreases LDL, it also decreases LDL particle size.

I think you have to make a big distinction of normal versus abnormal
physiology and any study of an individual that is normal versus one who is
abnormal will not be the same. Insulin response is different in a diabetic,
metabolic syndrome vs a normal individual. The bottom line is that one is
really only quessing to what extend one can extrapolate to ones self the
degree of dietary influences.


3) Lowering cholesterol by means of diet and drugs does not reduce
overall mortality. There are good reasons to suspect that statins
also
stimulate cancer, which takes longer to find out than any of the
studies took.

There are many studies about lowering cholesterol and the benefits.
You will

There are in fact many studies about statin benefits. And some of them
in fact show that benefits are unrelated to cholesterol lowering
effects. There are very little studies showing benefits of other
cholesterol lowering drugs/techniques.

Mirek

Statins don't work for everyone and that is the reason where other drugs are
out there.

"Mirek Fidler" wrote in message
...
2) Lowering cholesterol by means of diet does not work

Who said it has to be dietary cholesterol that is the sole problem.
The body
makes cholesterol on it's own and it is a genetic misprint in the
balance.
Look at this logic. Glucose is not the problem in type I diabetes
because a
low carb diet does not cure and people die.

I think he speaks about lowering LDL by low-fat diet. Not dietary
cholesterol.

And, BTW, IMO research consistetly shows why it is so: while low-fat
decreases LDL, it also decreases LDL particle size.

I think you have to make a big distinction of normal versus abnormal
physiology and any study of an individual that is normal versus one who is
abnormal will not be the same. Insulin response is different in a diabetic,
metabolic syndrome vs a normal individual. The bottom line is that one is
really only quessing to what extend one can extrapolate to ones self the
degree of dietary influences.


3) Lowering cholesterol by means of diet and drugs does not reduce
overall mortality. There are good reasons to suspect that statins
also
stimulate cancer, which takes longer to find out than any of the
studies took.

There are many studies about lowering cholesterol and the benefits.
You will

There are in fact many studies about statin benefits. And some of them
in fact show that benefits are unrelated to cholesterol lowering
effects. There are very little studies showing benefits of other
cholesterol lowering drugs/techniques.

Mirek

Statins don't work for everyone and that is the reason where other drugs are
out there.

Well, as far as I am concerned saturated fat and cholesterol
causes
heart disease. It always amazes me that people will pour bacon
grease
into a cup and let it harden because they don't want to clog their
pipes yet they don't see the correlation with the clogging of
their
arteries.

Well, you are making classical mistake - applying your kitchen
experience to human body. But it is not how it works:

Fat that gets absorbed in intestines does NOT goes directly too
blood.
Instead it is packed and distributed in particles called
chylomicrons -
and nobody never found chylomicrons to be harmful to arteries - for
simple reason - they are too big to penetrate and/or damage
endothelium.

The fat gets stored and body mass fat does indeed have consequences in
terms
of breast cancer.

Yes, but body mass depends on total energy consumed (absorbed), not on
macronutient ratios. (Well, some of fellow low-carbers would even swear
that fat has metabolic (dis)advantage, but I would not go so far).

You seem to be making classical low-fat's dieter mistake that only fat
makes you fat.

BTW, if breast cancer concerns you so much, recent research found clear
association of breast cancer with high carb diet....

Mirek

And, BTW, IMO research consistetly shows why it is so: while low-fat
decreases LDL, it also decreases LDL particle size.

I think you have to make a big distinction of normal versus abnormal
physiology and any study of an individual that is normal versus one
who is
abnormal will not be the same. Insulin response is different in a
diabetic,
metabolic syndrome vs a normal individual. The bottom line is that one
is
really only quessing to what extend one can extrapolate to ones self
the
degree of dietary influences.

Well, but it is already e.g. known that people with large LDL (pattern
A - 75% of population with low average CVD risk) are converted to small
LDL pattern by low-fat diet. So 75% of people might be in fact damaged
by low-fat.

Mirek

And, BTW, IMO research consistetly shows why it is so: while low-fat
decreases LDL, it also decreases LDL particle size.

I think you have to make a big distinction of normal versus abnormal
physiology and any study of an individual that is normal versus one
who is
abnormal will not be the same. Insulin response is different in a
diabetic,
metabolic syndrome vs a normal individual. The bottom line is that one
is
really only quessing to what extend one can extrapolate to ones self
the
degree of dietary influences.

Well, but it is already e.g. known that people with large LDL (pattern
A - 75% of population with low average CVD risk) are converted to small
LDL pattern by low-fat diet. So 75% of people might be in fact damaged
by low-fat.

Mirek

"Mirek Fidler" wrote in message ...
Insulin caused by overconsumption of carbohydrates.

I see so insulin is clogging peoples arteries hmm.....

Well, some hints for you:

Why Type2 diabetics have much higher incidence of coronary?

You can also try to google some relationships between carbs, TG, HDL,
LDL density and oxLDL.

Another hint: what they did to that mice that outlived its lifespan by
year?

Low-carb might not be ideal, but insulin (metabolic syndrome) is at
least one of biggest contributors to heart disease.

Mirek


The way I have seen metabolic syndrome described is by lumping a group
of risk factors like high blood pressure, high cholesterol and insulin
resistance and calling it syndrome X, which can lead to heart disease
obesity and diabetes. Many people have the causes, risk factors, and
effects all mixed up. I would suggest that heart disease as well as
the conditions that make up the so called metabolic syndrome are
actually just symptoms of insulin resistance which very from person to
person depending on the severity of insulin resistance, which is the
true cause of the many degenerative conditions. This is what so many
people fail to understand. It really is very simple. The medical
establishment however would have us believe things are immensely
complex and out of our control. This is understandable considering it
serves to benefit them. For the same reason dentists and
orthodontists do not tell you what a simple matter it is to remain
free of cavities and gum disease for your whole life as well as insure
that your children will be born with straight teeth. Just imagine
what that would do to their profession?? It could be wiped from the
face of the earth. Does anyone really have any delusions about
whether they would allow that to happen if they had any say about it.

"Mirek Fidler" wrote in message ...
Insulin caused by overconsumption of carbohydrates.

I see so insulin is clogging peoples arteries hmm.....

Well, some hints for you:

Why Type2 diabetics have much higher incidence of coronary?

You can also try to google some relationships between carbs, TG, HDL,
LDL density and oxLDL.

Another hint: what they did to that mice that outlived its lifespan by
year?

Low-carb might not be ideal, but insulin (metabolic syndrome) is at
least one of biggest contributors to heart disease.

Mirek


The way I have seen metabolic syndrome described is by lumping a group
of risk factors like high blood pressure, high cholesterol and insulin
resistance and calling it syndrome X, which can lead to heart disease
obesity and diabetes. Many people have the causes, risk factors, and
effects all mixed up. I would suggest that heart disease as well as
the conditions that make up the so called metabolic syndrome are
actually just symptoms of insulin resistance which very from person to
person depending on the severity of insulin resistance, which is the
true cause of the many degenerative conditions. This is what so many
people fail to understand. It really is very simple. The medical
establishment however would have us believe things are immensely
complex and out of our control. This is understandable considering it
serves to benefit them. For the same reason dentists and
orthodontists do not tell you what a simple matter it is to remain
free of cavities and gum disease for your whole life as well as insure
that your children will be born with straight teeth. Just imagine
what that would do to their profession?? It could be wiped from the
face of the earth. Does anyone really have any delusions about
whether they would allow that to happen if they had any say about it.