Starvation

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:25:17 +0100, "Jay" sales@*remove this
bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote:

How effective is starvation for weight loss? For example, how long would I
need to starve for to lose a noticeable amount of weight?

Well, you're going to lose a disproportionate amount of lean body
mass, which will make it harder for you to maintain once you do lose
weight.

What's the fascination with starvation?

Also how long can the body go without food without having a negative impact
on future health? If I was to just take water and say vitamin tablets would
that change how long I could do it for? Whats the realistic minimum calories
my body would need per day to be able to function on based on being 6ft 5"
and 350lbs?

If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that
category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident.

Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there
are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate.

I'd rethink this idea and do something else. Anything else.


Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

about weeks than days this time - its either that, drugs or just end it all
and thereby the problem goes away

Wait a minute, you are forgetting the most effective and permanent way that will not
endanger your life (i.e. fasting for weeks, taking drugs or ending it all) -- making
small healthy changes until they become permanent, and building on that success.
Examples:

-- Taking a 20-minute walk each day till you can work up to an hour
-- Giving up whatever major binge food you might be choosing (for me it was sugar)
-- Adding more vegetables to your daily intake
-- Saying no to fried foods and packaged junk food
-- Making sure you eat some source of protein with each meal
-- Adopting an attitude of willingness and patience

I realize I'm talking baby steps and you might be thinking -- it can't possibly work
because I'm in a hurry to lose -- but weight lost in a hurry is often regained in a
hurry, and to me, weight loss without maintenance is useless. Look, I'm a woman who
is under 5'5" and I weighed 325 lbs 19 years ago. So I was in worse condition than
you (unless you're under 5'5" too), and through commitment, consistency, patience and
persistence, I've been able to make great progress. I have lost roughly 175 lbs (100
of those off for 19 years). I have struggled with my weight all my life, and so I
know it isn't easy and can seem hopeless once you cross the 300-lb. mark. But drugs,
surgery and extreme methods are not necessary -- I am living proof, and there is
nothing magical about me. One step at a time, one day at a time. Good luck to you
Jay.

Mary M
325-154-148

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...

about weeks than days this time - its either that, drugs or just end it all
and thereby the problem goes away

Wait a minute, you are forgetting the most effective and permanent way that will not
endanger your life (i.e. fasting for weeks, taking drugs or ending it all) -- making
small healthy changes until they become permanent, and building on that success.
Examples:

-- Taking a 20-minute walk each day till you can work up to an hour
-- Giving up whatever major binge food you might be choosing (for me it was sugar)
-- Adding more vegetables to your daily intake
-- Saying no to fried foods and packaged junk food
-- Making sure you eat some source of protein with each meal
-- Adopting an attitude of willingness and patience

I realize I'm talking baby steps and you might be thinking -- it can't possibly work
because I'm in a hurry to lose -- but weight lost in a hurry is often regained in a
hurry, and to me, weight loss without maintenance is useless. Look, I'm a woman who
is under 5'5" and I weighed 325 lbs 19 years ago. So I was in worse condition than
you (unless you're under 5'5" too), and through commitment, consistency, patience and
persistence, I've been able to make great progress. I have lost roughly 175 lbs (100
of those off for 19 years). I have struggled with my weight all my life, and so I
know it isn't easy and can seem hopeless once you cross the 300-lb. mark. But drugs,
surgery and extreme methods are not necessary -- I am living proof, and there is
nothing magical about me. One step at a time, one day at a time. Good luck to you
Jay.

Mary M
325-154-148

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...
How effective is starvation for weight loss? For example, how long would I
need to starve for to lose a noticeable amount of weight?

Also how long can the body go without food without having a negative
impact
on future health? If I was to just take water and say vitamin tablets
would
that change how long I could do it for? Whats the realistic minimum
calories
my body would need per day to be able to function on based on being 6ft 5"
and 350lbs?

TIA

Sorry, I can't answer most of your questions, but I can offer a suggestion:
Instead of a straight-out fast, why not try something like Optifast? (I'm
not pushing Optifast over other such programs -- it's just that Optifast is
the only one I could think of. A good friend lost a lot of weight very
quickly on Optifast a few years ago.)

In case you're not familiar with such programs, they basically consist of
very low calorie diets composed almost entirely of flavored protein powder
that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or
custom designed exercise plans.

HTH

Anny

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
...
How effective is starvation for weight loss? For example, how long would I
need to starve for to lose a noticeable amount of weight?

Also how long can the body go without food without having a negative
impact
on future health? If I was to just take water and say vitamin tablets
would
that change how long I could do it for? Whats the realistic minimum
calories
my body would need per day to be able to function on based on being 6ft 5"
and 350lbs?

TIA

Sorry, I can't answer most of your questions, but I can offer a suggestion:
Instead of a straight-out fast, why not try something like Optifast? (I'm
not pushing Optifast over other such programs -- it's just that Optifast is
the only one I could think of. A good friend lost a lot of weight very
quickly on Optifast a few years ago.)

In case you're not familiar with such programs, they basically consist of
very low calorie diets composed almost entirely of flavored protein powder
that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight
nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you
retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the
medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions
with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or
custom designed exercise plans.

HTH

Anny

"Barbara Hirsch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:20:31 -0400, "Patricia Heil"
wrote:


It's great at killing you. Many people have posted here that after trying
starvation diets, it rebounded on them. Don't do it. Start an exercise
program and learn to eat healthy.

You don't read much do you? Jay Jay is one of the all-time exercisers
in this group.


This isn't Jayjay.

"Barbara Hirsch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:20:31 -0400, "Patricia Heil"
wrote:


It's great at killing you. Many people have posted here that after trying
starvation diets, it rebounded on them. Don't do it. Start an exercise
program and learn to eat healthy.

You don't read much do you? Jay Jay is one of the all-time exercisers
in this group.


This isn't Jayjay.

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ...
In article , Jay wrote:
How effective is starvation for weight loss? For example, how long would

According to numerous studies, the average person gains 15% of body
mass within two years of doing any calorie reduction diet. The
success rate for such diets (5%)is the same as the percentage who
develop eating disorders ( anorexia or bulimia) after using starvation
to reduce weight. These statistics were recently used by the FTC in
their sucessful lawsuit against the purveyors of such starvation plans
( Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, etc).

A far better approach is that employed by the world's thinnest people,
the Maisi and Sambura tribes of Africa. They eat no vegetable
products at all. They also eat the most fat of any people ever
studied ( 65% of calories) and have the lowest cholesterol ( avg. 125)
and heart disease of any people. Their diet is very high calorie and
they exercise little ( the men not at all).

I have used this method in the past with several clients and it
results in fantastic weight loss - about 100 lbs. per six months. It
also dramatically improves exercise endurance and mood. It also works
better than Lipitor for improving cholesterol and triglyceride ratios.

This method was studied scientifically by Anthropologist Vilhjalmur
Stefansson who ate this way for decades ( 1906-1963). In his book
"The Fat of the Land" he documents his U.S. Army experiments and his
own Arctic experiences in using this method to cure scurvy.

Feel free to e-mail me privatly if I can offer any assistance in your
quest!
I never charge for dietary advice.

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ...
In article , Jay wrote:
How effective is starvation for weight loss? For example, how long would

According to numerous studies, the average person gains 15% of body
mass within two years of doing any calorie reduction diet. The
success rate for such diets (5%)is the same as the percentage who
develop eating disorders ( anorexia or bulimia) after using starvation
to reduce weight. These statistics were recently used by the FTC in
their sucessful lawsuit against the purveyors of such starvation plans
( Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, etc).

A far better approach is that employed by the world's thinnest people,
the Maisi and Sambura tribes of Africa. They eat no vegetable
products at all. They also eat the most fat of any people ever
studied ( 65% of calories) and have the lowest cholesterol ( avg. 125)
and heart disease of any people. Their diet is very high calorie and
they exercise little ( the men not at all).

I have used this method in the past with several clients and it
results in fantastic weight loss - about 100 lbs. per six months. It
also dramatically improves exercise endurance and mood. It also works
better than Lipitor for improving cholesterol and triglyceride ratios.

This method was studied scientifically by Anthropologist Vilhjalmur
Stefansson who ate this way for decades ( 1906-1963). In his book
"The Fat of the Land" he documents his U.S. Army experiments and his
own Arctic experiences in using this method to cure scurvy.

Feel free to e-mail me privatly if I can offer any assistance in your
quest!
I never charge for dietary advice.

Ray Audette
Author "NeanderThin"
www.NeanderThin.com

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:39:25 GMT, Barbara Hirsch
wrote:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:20:31 -0400, "Patricia Heil"
wrote:


It's great at killing you. Many people have posted here that after trying
starvation diets, it rebounded on them. Don't do it. Start an exercise
program and learn to eat healthy.

You don't read much do you? Jay Jay is one of the all-time exercisers
in this group.

I think you've got the wrong person Barbara. This isn't the
"original" jay jay - it's a different poster.

janice