Where are all the thin poeple from Atkins first book?

DigitalVinyl wrote:

I don't know anyone alive who was significantly overweight/obese and
lost it for thirty years through diet or exercise. My own mother is
much lighter than she was most of my life but that was due to illness.
And its only been 10 years and she has put some weight back on.

Does anyone know of anyone who became thin for THIRTY years on any
plan of any type? Richard Simmons looked somewhat pudgy the last time
I saw a picture of him.


Ah, finally I’m seeing the problem here. It’s the word “diet”. It’s
still being looked at like a fix not a lifestyle. Don’t look for
overweight/obese people that are now thin. They are the quick fixers.
Look for people who are trim and fit and have always been that way.
People who are surviving the Low Fat and Low Carbohydrate fads without
gaining weight. These are the people that know how to diet long term.
Their diet is working. Not a diet that brought them from 200 to 150. A
diet that’s kept them at 150 for all their life. You’re looking for a
trim 30-50 year old that’s always been that size. That’s where the good
diet information and success story is. Ask them if they’re Low Fat or
Low Carb.

Most won’t ask though. Because the fit ones are those that have some
medical condition that makes them thin. They don’t like to eat as much
as the rest of us. They don’t get cravings. They don’t have to watch
what they eat. They’re not big boned. They don't have a sweet tooth.

What if they were biologically the same as the rest of us?

I’m not in this category although I wish I were. I messed up. Unlike
those that I admire, my almost 40 year life has a 3 year fat spot in the
middle. That’s diet failure. In my defense, I wasn’t even paying
attention to what I was eating and am not surprised I put on weight.
Guess marriage and a child can distract me a bit. I did figure it out,
changed to what is my family’s current diet, came right back down and
even overshot my original weight very quickly. I think I also mentioned
before it was without exercise. That was another mistake and I mention
it so it’s known that exercise isn’t required to stay thin. It is heart
healthy and great for filling in those empty pockets where fat used to
be so the skin doesn’t hang from the bone.

I hope this cleared up what I was getting at. Don’t ask Richard
Simmons. He was a quick fixer that obviously had a diet to difficult to
follow.

DigitalVinyl wrote:

I don't know anyone alive who was significantly overweight/obese and
lost it for thirty years through diet or exercise. My own mother is
much lighter than she was most of my life but that was due to illness.
And its only been 10 years and she has put some weight back on.

Does anyone know of anyone who became thin for THIRTY years on any
plan of any type? Richard Simmons looked somewhat pudgy the last time
I saw a picture of him.


Ah, finally I’m seeing the problem here. It’s the word “diet”. It’s
still being looked at like a fix not a lifestyle. Don’t look for
overweight/obese people that are now thin. They are the quick fixers.
Look for people who are trim and fit and have always been that way.
People who are surviving the Low Fat and Low Carbohydrate fads without
gaining weight. These are the people that know how to diet long term.
Their diet is working. Not a diet that brought them from 200 to 150. A
diet that’s kept them at 150 for all their life. You’re looking for a
trim 30-50 year old that’s always been that size. That’s where the good
diet information and success story is. Ask them if they’re Low Fat or
Low Carb.

Most won’t ask though. Because the fit ones are those that have some
medical condition that makes them thin. They don’t like to eat as much
as the rest of us. They don’t get cravings. They don’t have to watch
what they eat. They’re not big boned. They don't have a sweet tooth.

What if they were biologically the same as the rest of us?

I’m not in this category although I wish I were. I messed up. Unlike
those that I admire, my almost 40 year life has a 3 year fat spot in the
middle. That’s diet failure. In my defense, I wasn’t even paying
attention to what I was eating and am not surprised I put on weight.
Guess marriage and a child can distract me a bit. I did figure it out,
changed to what is my family’s current diet, came right back down and
even overshot my original weight very quickly. I think I also mentioned
before it was without exercise. That was another mistake and I mention
it so it’s known that exercise isn’t required to stay thin. It is heart
healthy and great for filling in those empty pockets where fat used to
be so the skin doesn’t hang from the bone.

I hope this cleared up what I was getting at. Don’t ask Richard
Simmons. He was a quick fixer that obviously had a diet to difficult to
follow.

Bob in CT wrote:


Name one diet that doesn't require food groups to be reduced from the
diet? The food pyramid requires low fat. Personally, I find low carb
much easier to follow than low fat.

Calorie counting could eliminate foods that are above one's RMR. My RMR
is 2500 and I'm not familiar with a food that's that high in calories
per serving. I guess if there was one I'd have to avoid it. Looks like
you just scored a point against my diet.

Bob in CT wrote:


Name one diet that doesn't require food groups to be reduced from the
diet? The food pyramid requires low fat. Personally, I find low carb
much easier to follow than low fat.

Calorie counting could eliminate foods that are above one's RMR. My RMR
is 2500 and I'm not familiar with a food that's that high in calories
per serving. I guess if there was one I'd have to avoid it. Looks like
you just scored a point against my diet.

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the same
concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long run,
the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The
followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss
by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long
term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the
cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the
weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America continues to
grow fatter.



Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either. I
eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.

jbuch wrote:

Rob wrote:

Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the same
concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the long run,
the release of new diet books wouldn't even be necessary. The
followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss
by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. Their long
term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the
cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the
weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America continues to
grow fatter.



Where are all the thin people from LOW FAT DIETS that have been
postulated for the last 40 years?

Ask yourself all the same questions as in your speech above.

Jim



My eating habits don’t conform to the low fat diet standards either. I
eat plenty of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat. It’s the
saturated fats and trans-fats that I limit.

Rob wrote:
|| Vic wrote:
||
||| They all died from heart attacks and exploding kidneys.
|||
||| You can't be this stupid, can you?
|||
|| Why do you think I'm stupid?
|| Because I believe this diet is too hard to follow long term?
|| Because I believe the people in the 70s started out with the same
|| mind
|| set and determination that this room is full of today?
||
|| I'm a realist. If the majority failed to blend with society or
|| caved in to peer pressure or carb cravings or whatever it was that
|| caused them to fail in the 70s, not enough has changed about his
|| latest book to prevent it from happening again.
||
|| If there were 30 year success stories , this is where I'd find them,
|| right?

You are such a moron it's funny.

||
|| I'm just not hearing about people that have been successfully on
|| Atkins since the 70s. What I'm hearing is stories of quick fixes.
||

There is at least one poster here who has been low carbing for 20 years.

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||| Vic
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||| Since 3/24/04
||| Photos - http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/vicsprogress
|||
||| "Rob" wrote in message
||| ...
|||| Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
|||| Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
|||| same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the
|||| long run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be
|||| necessary. The followers would have actually been capable of
|||| maintaining weight loss by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for
|||| over 25 years. Their long term weight loss success stories would
|||| have spread worldwide as the cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as
|||| more and more diets appear, the weight loss industry continues to
|||| get richer, and America continues to grow fatter.

Rob wrote:
|| Vic wrote:
||
||| They all died from heart attacks and exploding kidneys.
|||
||| You can't be this stupid, can you?
|||
|| Why do you think I'm stupid?
|| Because I believe this diet is too hard to follow long term?
|| Because I believe the people in the 70s started out with the same
|| mind
|| set and determination that this room is full of today?
||
|| I'm a realist. If the majority failed to blend with society or
|| caved in to peer pressure or carb cravings or whatever it was that
|| caused them to fail in the 70s, not enough has changed about his
|| latest book to prevent it from happening again.
||
|| If there were 30 year success stories , this is where I'd find them,
|| right?

You are such a moron it's funny.

||
|| I'm just not hearing about people that have been successfully on
|| Atkins since the 70s. What I'm hearing is stories of quick fixes.
||

There is at least one poster here who has been low carbing for 20 years.

||| --
||| Vic
||| 258/184/175
||| Since 3/24/04
||| Photos - http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/vicsprogress
|||
||| "Rob" wrote in message
||| ...
|||| Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades.
|||| Dr. Atkins published his first book back in the 70's based on the
|||| same concepts as his current book. If these plans worked in the
|||| long run, the release of new diet books wouldn't even be
|||| necessary. The followers would have actually been capable of
|||| maintaining weight loss by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for
|||| over 25 years. Their long term weight loss success stories would
|||| have spread worldwide as the cure to obesity. Paradoxically, as
|||| more and more diets appear, the weight loss industry continues to
|||| get richer, and America continues to grow fatter.

In article , Rob
wrote:

DigitalVinyl wrote:

I don't know anyone alive who was significantly overweight/obese and
lost it for thirty years through diet or exercise. My own mother is
much lighter than she was most of my life but that was due to illness.
And its only been 10 years and she has put some weight back on.

Does anyone know of anyone who became thin for THIRTY years on any
plan of any type? Richard Simmons looked somewhat pudgy the last time
I saw a picture of him.


Ah, finally I¹m seeing the problem here. It¹s the word ³diet². It¹s
still being looked at like a fix not a lifestyle. Don¹t look for
overweight/obese people that are now thin. They are the quick fixers.
Look for people who are trim and fit and have always been that way.
People who are surviving the Low Fat and Low Carbohydrate fads without
gaining weight. These are the people that know how to diet long term.
Their diet is working. Not a diet that brought them from 200 to 150. A
diet that¹s kept them at 150 for all their life. You¹re looking for a
trim 30-50 year old that¹s always been that size. That¹s where the good
diet information and success story is. Ask them if they¹re Low Fat or
Low Carb.


Uh, their way of eating most probably will not have the same results for an
overweight person. I know thin, active people who have never been fat who
say "I just eat when I'm hungry, and I eat whatever I want!" Which works
for them, but not for me, because (when I am not low-carbing) I have
cravings that they don't, and I am hungry all the time. I don't know if
these cravings and hunger are something I was born with, or something that
developed as a symptom from getting fat, but they don't go away unless I
low carb. My skinny cousin can eat a half cup serving of pasta and feel
full. I eat the same thing and my stomach will be growling the rest of the
day. Or are you trying to imply that never-been-fat people are constantly,
gnawingly, ravenously hungry and they just live with it because they're
"better" than we are?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Rob wrote:
|| DigitalVinyl wrote:
||
|| I don't know anyone alive who was significantly overweight/obese
|| and lost it for thirty years through diet or exercise. My own
|| mother is much lighter than she was most of my life but that was
|| due to illness. And its only been 10 years and she has put some
|| weight back on.
||
|| Does anyone know of anyone who became thin for THIRTY years on any
|| plan of any type? Richard Simmons looked somewhat pudgy the last
|| time I saw a picture of him.
||
||
|| Ah, finally I’m seeing the problem here. It’s the word “diet”. It’s
|| still being looked at like a fix not a lifestyle. Don’t look for
|| overweight/obese people that are now thin. They are the quick
|| fixers. Look for people who are trim and fit and have always been
|| that way. People who are surviving the Low Fat and Low Carbohydrate
|| fads without gaining weight. These are the people that know how to
|| diet long term. Their diet is working. Not a diet that brought them
|| from 200 to 150. A diet that’s kept them at 150 for all their life.
|| You’re looking for a trim 30-50 year old that’s always been that
|| size. That’s where the good diet information and success story is.
|| Ask them if they’re Low Fat or Low Carb.
||
|| Most won’t ask though. Because the fit ones are those that have some
|| medical condition that makes them thin. They don’t like to eat as
|| much as the rest of us. They don’t get cravings. They don’t have
|| to watch what they eat. They’re not big boned. They don't have a
|| sweet tooth.
||
|| What if they were biologically the same as the rest of us?
||
|| I’m not in this category although I wish I were. I messed up.
|| Unlike those that I admire, my almost 40 year life has a 3 year fat
|| spot in the middle. That’s diet failure. In my defense, I wasn’t
|| even paying attention to what I was eating and am not surprised I
|| put on weight. Guess marriage and a child can distract me a bit. I
|| did figure it out, changed to what is my family’s current diet, came
|| right back down and even overshot my original weight very quickly.
|| I think I also mentioned before it was without exercise. That was
|| another mistake and I mention it so it’s known that exercise isn’t
|| required to stay thin. It is heart healthy and great for filling in
|| those empty pockets where fat used to be so the skin doesn’t hang
|| from the bone.
||
|| I hope this cleared up what I was getting at. Don’t ask Richard
|| Simmons. He was a quick fixer that obviously had a diet to
|| difficult to follow.

You're just stupid. Life issues could come along and derail you just as
they did before. Hence, you will be back in the quick fix category, idiot.

It is quite amazing that you can't see how stupid you sound. But yet, at
least you got your bodyfat down. That seems to be about all you have going
for yourself, so you'd better play it up.