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Old May 25th, 2004, 03:03 PM
Geoff
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Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now) I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.


  #2  
Old May 25th, 2004, 06:16 PM
Lachelle
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Default Zero points food

There isnt much besides veggies that are 0 points, so controlled
portions are the way to go. Definately try sugar free pudding and
jello. They are low in points. Or fat free cool whip. Which is
delicious. Especially frozen. Its technically zero points for the
serving but if you eat alot count it for one or two. You can make a
pretty good snack of pudding topped with cool whip and sprinkles.
Also sugar free hard candy or gum can get you through a lot. Good
luck and stick to it!


"Geoff" wrote in message ...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now) I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

  #3  
Old May 25th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Geoff
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"Lachelle" wrote in message
om...
There isnt much besides veggies that are 0 points, so controlled
portions are the way to go. Definately try sugar free pudding and
jello. They are low in points. Or fat free cool whip. Which is
delicious. Especially frozen. Its technically zero points for the
serving but if you eat alot count it for one or two. You can make a
pretty good snack of pudding topped with cool whip and sprinkles.
Also sugar free hard candy or gum can get you through a lot. Good
luck and stick to it!



Hi Lachelle. Thanks for replying to me. To be honest I'm not too keen on
trying low sugar things but I know I'm just being silly so I'll think about
your suggestions (after I've converted all those things to what they're
called in England!).

As for sticking to it...I don't know if I can. Life isn't too happy right
now and in a way the worst time to try and lose weight, but if I don't do it
soon I won't live to see the next 10 years so I have to try. I need local
support but that doesn't exist for me. Well not unless I pay Weigh Watchers
and I refuse to pay an organisation just so I can sit in a room and talk to
people.

Thanks again for your help,
Geoff.


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Old May 25th, 2004, 09:15 PM
Kate Dicey
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Geoff wrote:

Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.


Good for you! Mum is often a good place to start!

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!)


If you are above the top weights in the charts, see if your mum can find
out through WW what your points SHOULD be. I know it will mean eating
more to start with, but you need a certain amount to keep working while
you work on the excess. Here in the UK if you are more than 20 stone or
280 lbs and a man, you get 36 points, plus whatever bonus points you
earn through exercise.

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it.


Yes you can! One of the significant things about like and dislikes
in food is that MOST of them are LEARNED responses! There are very few
programmed in flavours that are natural and instant dislikes. One of
the things that is quite noticeable is that in families where a LOT of
fresh foods and vegetables are eaten, the kids LIKE things like Brussels
sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, courgettes, onions and whatever, and in
families where this is NOT encouraged from an early age (as in under a
year old!), the kids profess to dislike them even before trying them!

Take my son as an example: we have always eaten fresh vegetables and
fruit in large quantities. He loves cabbage, broccoli, green beans,
carrots, parsnips, peppers, raw mushrooms and most salad things, but
doesn't like cooked mushroom, tomatoes, courgettes, and one or two
others - yet! He will keep trying and hoping to 'grow into' them! He
eats most fruits, including tart apples by the bushel! If I hide the
courgettes and tomatoes in with other veggies, chopped small, he'll eat
them quite happily!

He likes smoked salmon, but not cooked salmon! Weird, that one! The
thing is that he IS willing to KEEP TRYING small quantities, in
different dishes - and this is the key!

And stop thinking of it as a diet! It's a healthy eating plan FOR LIFE!
And like all major life changes, it takes time to work into and get right.

The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).


Potatoes count as a starch in the Great Plan, not a vegetable. They are
in the same bracket as rice, bread, pasta, and the like. For the sake
of your health, you need to include AT LEAST 5 portions of fruit and
vegetables per day. They carry nutrients such as vitamins and minerals
that are essential to a healthy life, as well as fiber, which is
essential to healthy insides. The fiber in vegetables helps to regulate
bowel movement and health as well as making you feel fuller and less
likely to snack.

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet.


The must be VERY big bananas! A small (80g without skin) banana is
1 point here in the UK. Apples are only half a point each, and there
are LOTS of different varieties about. Try different varieties and see
what you can find. Peel fruit and chop it up: takes longer to prepare
and eat that way! Mix a higher point fruit with a lower point one: a
cocktail of apples and orange, or kiwi fruit and pear, for example.

The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now) I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.


Have you tried having a drink instead? Quite often the body gets
confused and asks for food when it's really dehydrated. Have a glass of
water and wait. If you are still hungry after 20 minutes, eat a raw carrot!

Carrots are quite a good one. If you chop them in slices and eat them
like chips, they taste sweeter and last longer. Swede and carrots
grated take AGES to eat, so make you feel fuller, and they taste sweeter
than when whole or boiled.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?


There aren't any really good 'mad munchies' foods that are not
vegetables. I'm going to suggest something here that I want you to
think about really seriously: learn to cook! NOT just to throw a few
simple dishes together, but really learn to prepare and cook vegetables.
Get a WW vegetarian cookbook, and try lots of different things in
different combinations. If you don't like the 'two veg' of meat and two
veg dinners, ask yourself why. Do you dislike carrots and broccoli
because they are cooked to a tasteless mush? Don't boil them! Lightly
saute the broccoli with a little butter and some bacon and garlic...
fry cabbage with cumin and carroway seed, garlic and onions rather than
boiling it to yellow stinking slime! Steam the cabbage with sushi
ginger, or make a whole slew of veggies into a stir-fry dish. Or try
the Medeterranian Roast Vegetables to go with your roast chicken:

Take one of each of the following, and chop them into large chunks:

red onion
yellow pepper
courgette
small aubergine
fennel bulb

add:
4 large mushrooms, quartered
4 tomatoes, quartered
a pinch of mixed herbs
a spray or three of olive oil

Mix the whole lot together in a m/w and oven proof dish, and cover with
cling film. Pierce the top and cook for 5-10 minutes, depending on the
power of your machine. Remove the cling film, pop the dish in the oven,
and leave it for 20 mins at about 180 degrees C. Eat what you like with
the dinner, and leave the rest to go cold in the fridge. You can make
the rest into zero point pasta sauce the following day buy zizzing it in
a food processor, and adding a can of chopped tomatoes, some
Worcestershire sauce and a dash of tobasco!

The last thing I can do is say KEEP TRYING! New tastes take a while to
develop, so don't give up, and try a little at a time.

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Old May 25th, 2004, 11:04 PM
Geoff
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"krys" wrote in message
...
Plums - 3 for 1 pt
Grapes.
Cherries.
Tomatoes - I eat 'em like apples.
Strawberries - 150g for 1 pt.
Organic carrots are good for munching - yep, I know - a vegetable, but the
best ones are sweet.
Rice cakes - 3 for 1pt, and less sawdust than ryvita - good for dipping in
low point salsa etc......

I tried.......



Hi Krys. Oh I wish I wasn't so fussy. Rice cakes are less sawdust than
Riveta? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I think my Mother has some so
I'll have a look in the morning. Grapes looks like the best bet from your
list. I'll look up how many I could eat for a point.

Thank you very much Krys.
Geoff.


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Old May 25th, 2004, 11:04 PM
krys
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Plums - 3 for 1 pt
Grapes.
Cherries.
Tomatoes - I eat 'em like apples.
Strawberries - 150g for 1 pt.
Organic carrots are good for munching - yep, I know - a vegetable, but the
best ones are sweet.
Rice cakes - 3 for 1pt, and less sawdust than ryvita - good for dipping in
low point salsa etc......

I tried.......

--
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UK 157/128.4/126
Started March 1st 2001
GOAL August 16th 2001
....going down?...

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing

less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any

food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher

points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something

I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now)

I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast

Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.




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Old May 26th, 2004, 01:58 AM
buck naked
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Geoff wrote:

As for sticking to it...I don't know if I can. Life isn't too happy
right now and in a way the worst time to try and lose weight, but if
I don't do it soon I won't live to see the next 10 years so I have to
try. I need local support but that doesn't exist for me. Well not
unless I pay Weigh Watchers and I refuse to pay an organisation just
so I can sit in a room and talk to people.

Thanks again for your help,
Geoff.


Geoff,

I'm going to speak from the heart, and this is going to be 'tough love'.

There isn't EVER a good time to lose weight, or to do anything we don't
REALLY want to do. You seem to have some reasons why you can't stick to a
diet, in this case weight watchers, and we really can't give you one. We
can answer your questions, but we can't answer your question behind the
question: Why can't I eat what I want and still lose weight.

If you don't want to control your portion size (eesh, 10 bananas?) have you
considered exercising more? Walking, hiking, swimming, riding your bike?
To fill your stomach drink black coffee, black tea, diet soda, water.

You WILL have to sacrifice somethings to lose weight. Also, out of
curisoity how much do you weight and how tall are you?

In all seriousness, good luck. If you can't stick to a plan, pick something
you can stick with. What you might want to consider is to journal
everything that you eat, in a normal non dieting day, and then scale down
from there.



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Old May 26th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Laura
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I have to agree with bucknaked. You have to WANT to lose weight for
starters. Quit making excuses or you will never succeed with WW. Secondly,
you have to be willing to make the long-term aka permanent commitment to a
new healthier way of eating. If this means eating small portions of higher
calorie foods or eating lots of low point foods then that is what is going
to take to lose weight.

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
"Lachelle" wrote in message
om...
There isnt much besides veggies that are 0 points, so controlled
portions are the way to go. Definately try sugar free pudding and
jello. They are low in points. Or fat free cool whip. Which is
delicious. Especially frozen. Its technically zero points for the
serving but if you eat alot count it for one or two. You can make a
pretty good snack of pudding topped with cool whip and sprinkles.
Also sugar free hard candy or gum can get you through a lot. Good
luck and stick to it!



Hi Lachelle. Thanks for replying to me. To be honest I'm not too keen on
trying low sugar things but I know I'm just being silly so I'll think

about
your suggestions (after I've converted all those things to what they're
called in England!).

As for sticking to it...I don't know if I can. Life isn't too happy right
now and in a way the worst time to try and lose weight, but if I don't do

it
soon I won't live to see the next 10 years so I have to try. I need local
support but that doesn't exist for me. Well not unless I pay Weigh

Watchers
and I refuse to pay an organisation just so I can sit in a room and talk

to
people.

Thanks again for your help,
Geoff.



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Old May 26th, 2004, 06:01 AM
Miss Violette
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Default Zero points food

first tell us how much you actually do weigh so we can give you the right
points, that is most important, and you will see that if you have been
reading here long at all, second you must decide what you are willing to do
to lose, and WW limits no particular food category. Third, try Popcorn, for
a low point filler, and last, welcome, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing

less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any

food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher

points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something

I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now)

I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast

Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.




  #10  
Old May 26th, 2004, 06:04 AM
Miss Violette
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This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed stitches
you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider as
far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness perhaps,
you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the
assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
...
"Lachelle" wrote in message
om...
There isnt much besides veggies that are 0 points, so controlled
portions are the way to go. Definately try sugar free pudding and
jello. They are low in points. Or fat free cool whip. Which is
delicious. Especially frozen. Its technically zero points for the
serving but if you eat alot count it for one or two. You can make a
pretty good snack of pudding topped with cool whip and sprinkles.
Also sugar free hard candy or gum can get you through a lot. Good
luck and stick to it!



Hi Lachelle. Thanks for replying to me. To be honest I'm not too keen on
trying low sugar things but I know I'm just being silly so I'll think

about
your suggestions (after I've converted all those things to what they're
called in England!).

As for sticking to it...I don't know if I can. Life isn't too happy right
now and in a way the worst time to try and lose weight, but if I don't do

it
soon I won't live to see the next 10 years so I have to try. I need local
support but that doesn't exist for me. Well not unless I pay Weigh

Watchers
and I refuse to pay an organisation just so I can sit in a room and talk

to
people.

Thanks again for your help,
Geoff.




 




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