Low Carb Stall

Sam Marks wrote:
| You need to hit induction and STAY ON IT until you reach where you
| want to be. It's just that simple!
|
| I can't believe that you started Atkins over a year ago and only went
| down 60 pounds in a year??? Do you realize you could be in the 170's
| or 180's right now??? As in months ago???
|
| Don't listen to these idiots who say you can only be on induction for
| two weeks, anyone who READS the book or the website can clearly see
| it says up to 6 months or LONGER provided your health is ok.
|
| If you want to take years to lose it, thats your stupidity!
| "Bob La Londe" wrote in message
| ...
|| Ok... Last year (2003) I started low carbing around the end of
|| June. I started at about 295. I dropped as low as 235. I have
|| been watching my carb and calorie count for several months and I am
|| currently holding steady at 240 for many months now. I still have a
|| huge gut hanging over my belt. Looking at old pictures the last time
|| I didn't look like a big fatso I weighed between 210 and 215. Even
|| then I had a small gut, but it didn't hang over my belt.
||
|| I tried carbing out for a couple days and then going back to low
|| carbing, but all that did was move my maintained point up from 235
|| to 240.


Out of curiosity Sam, long have you been on Atkins and how mucn weight have
you lost? Where are your before and after pictures? What qualifies you to
call time-tested, experienced low-carbers "idiots for presenting proven
facts?"

There is nothing worse than a half-truth, and that is what you present. It
is true that Atkins says it's not dangerous to stay on induction, but he
does not recommend it -- and for good reason. The two-week induction
period is designed to break the carb addiction. Induction levels of carbs
means a very high % of calories come from fat, and conversely eating more
fat translates to more calories. This is why the Atkins plan calls for
increasing carbs to the point where one stops losing; then backing off a bit
for ongoing weight loss (CCL) -- continuing to perpetually pig out
indiscriminately on cream, butter, bacon etc. will have one
screaming,"Atkins doesn't work!" in no time. We've seen this time and again
here.

Increasing carb intake according to Atkin's Ongoing Weight Loss plan
provides best of both worlds: carbs remain low enough to prevent a sharp
insulin response (which more efficiently stores glucose as fat) while enougn
fat is eaten to provide satiety -- and at the same time calories are reduced
by the nature of the meat/ healthy vegetable combination. This balance
maximizes weight loss, and is the reason that it is recommended.

You are being very irresponsible in saying, "You need to hit induction and
STAY ON IT until you reach where you
| want to be. It's just that simple!" Quite simply, this is incorrect and
you don't know what you are talking about.

Your silly remarks punctuated with poor netiquette (caps) puts on in mind of
the style of our old friend Preesi.

--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Sam Marks wrote:
| You need to hit induction and STAY ON IT until you reach where you
| want to be. It's just that simple!
|
| I can't believe that you started Atkins over a year ago and only went
| down 60 pounds in a year??? Do you realize you could be in the 170's
| or 180's right now??? As in months ago???
|
| Don't listen to these idiots who say you can only be on induction for
| two weeks, anyone who READS the book or the website can clearly see
| it says up to 6 months or LONGER provided your health is ok.
|
| If you want to take years to lose it, thats your stupidity!
| "Bob La Londe" wrote in message
| ...
|| Ok... Last year (2003) I started low carbing around the end of
|| June. I started at about 295. I dropped as low as 235. I have
|| been watching my carb and calorie count for several months and I am
|| currently holding steady at 240 for many months now. I still have a
|| huge gut hanging over my belt. Looking at old pictures the last time
|| I didn't look like a big fatso I weighed between 210 and 215. Even
|| then I had a small gut, but it didn't hang over my belt.
||
|| I tried carbing out for a couple days and then going back to low
|| carbing, but all that did was move my maintained point up from 235
|| to 240.


Out of curiosity Sam, long have you been on Atkins and how mucn weight have
you lost? Where are your before and after pictures? What qualifies you to
call time-tested, experienced low-carbers "idiots for presenting proven
facts?"

There is nothing worse than a half-truth, and that is what you present. It
is true that Atkins says it's not dangerous to stay on induction, but he
does not recommend it -- and for good reason. The two-week induction
period is designed to break the carb addiction. Induction levels of carbs
means a very high % of calories come from fat, and conversely eating more
fat translates to more calories. This is why the Atkins plan calls for
increasing carbs to the point where one stops losing; then backing off a bit
for ongoing weight loss (CCL) -- continuing to perpetually pig out
indiscriminately on cream, butter, bacon etc. will have one
screaming,"Atkins doesn't work!" in no time. We've seen this time and again
here.

Increasing carb intake according to Atkin's Ongoing Weight Loss plan
provides best of both worlds: carbs remain low enough to prevent a sharp
insulin response (which more efficiently stores glucose as fat) while enougn
fat is eaten to provide satiety -- and at the same time calories are reduced
by the nature of the meat/ healthy vegetable combination. This balance
maximizes weight loss, and is the reason that it is recommended.

You are being very irresponsible in saying, "You need to hit induction and
STAY ON IT until you reach where you
| want to be. It's just that simple!" Quite simply, this is incorrect and
you don't know what you are talking about.

Your silly remarks punctuated with poor netiquette (caps) puts on in mind of
the style of our old friend Preesi.

--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Owls are low carb.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on OWL. If
you eat fewer eggs and meat and more low-carb vegetables, while keeping
volume the same, then calories would drop.

In article ,
"JC Der Koenig" wrote:

You can stall on induction if you eat too much.

You can stall when not on induction if you eat too much.

Funny how that works.
--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Um, Sam, not everyone has to do it _your_ way, ok? Some people stall
while
still on induction. Some people would rather lose a little bit slower
but
have more variety in their diet while doing it. Some people lose
faster
when they add more vegetables in, because they end up lowering
calories
overall. Not just carbs matter, calories count too. And anyway, it's
not
a race, ok? It's about finding a way you can eat and lose weight and
_maintain_ it for life.

I mean, sure, you CAN stay on induction for 6 months, sure, go ahead.
If
your priority is to lose as much weight as quickly as possible, and
you
don't care about things like learning how to change your eating into
something healthy you can live with for the rest of your life, if you
don't
care about the potential emotional issues of losing a large amount of
weight quickly without having time to adjust to it, if you don't care
about
the potential of having huge flaps of skin hanging off your body, and
if
your body is one of the ones that actually _will_ lose faster by
staying
on
induction. That may be you Sam, but it's not everyone.

In article ,
"Sam Marks" wrote:

You need to hit induction and STAY ON IT until you reach where you
want
to
be. It's just that simple!

I can't believe that you started Atkins over a year ago and only
went
down
60 pounds in a year??? Do you realize you could be in the 170's or
180's
right now??? As in months ago???

Don't listen to these idiots who say you can only be on induction
for
two
weeks, anyone who READS the book or the website can clearly see it
says
up
to 6 months or LONGER provided your health is ok.

If you want to take years to lose it, thats your stupidity!
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok... Last year (2003) I started low carbing around the end of
June.
I
started at about 295. I dropped as low as 235. I have been
watching
my
carb and calorie count for several months and I am currently
holding
steady
at 240 for many months now. I still have a huge gut hanging over
my
belt.
Looking at old pictures the last time I didn't look like a big
fatso I
weighed between 210 and 215. Even then I had a small gut, but it
didn't
hang over my belt.

I tried carbing out for a couple days and then going back to low
carbing,
but all that did was move my maintained point up from 235 to 240.









--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Owls are low carb.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on OWL. If
you eat fewer eggs and meat and more low-carb vegetables, while keeping
volume the same, then calories would drop.

In article ,
"JC Der Koenig" wrote:

You can stall on induction if you eat too much.

You can stall when not on induction if you eat too much.

Funny how that works.
--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" wrote in message
...
Um, Sam, not everyone has to do it _your_ way, ok? Some people stall
while
still on induction. Some people would rather lose a little bit slower
but
have more variety in their diet while doing it. Some people lose
faster
when they add more vegetables in, because they end up lowering
calories
overall. Not just carbs matter, calories count too. And anyway, it's
not
a race, ok? It's about finding a way you can eat and lose weight and
_maintain_ it for life.

I mean, sure, you CAN stay on induction for 6 months, sure, go ahead.
If
your priority is to lose as much weight as quickly as possible, and
you
don't care about things like learning how to change your eating into
something healthy you can live with for the rest of your life, if you
don't
care about the potential emotional issues of losing a large amount of
weight quickly without having time to adjust to it, if you don't care
about
the potential of having huge flaps of skin hanging off your body, and
if
your body is one of the ones that actually _will_ lose faster by
staying
on
induction. That may be you Sam, but it's not everyone.

In article ,
"Sam Marks" wrote:

You need to hit induction and STAY ON IT until you reach where you
want
to
be. It's just that simple!

I can't believe that you started Atkins over a year ago and only
went
down
60 pounds in a year??? Do you realize you could be in the 170's or
180's
right now??? As in months ago???

Don't listen to these idiots who say you can only be on induction
for
two
weeks, anyone who READS the book or the website can clearly see it
says
up
to 6 months or LONGER provided your health is ok.

If you want to take years to lose it, thats your stupidity!
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok... Last year (2003) I started low carbing around the end of
June.
I
started at about 295. I dropped as low as 235. I have been
watching
my
carb and calorie count for several months and I am currently
holding
steady
at 240 for many months now. I still have a huge gut hanging over
my
belt.
Looking at old pictures the last time I didn't look like a big
fatso I
weighed between 210 and 215. Even then I had a small gut, but it
didn't
hang over my belt.

I tried carbing out for a couple days and then going back to low
carbing,
but all that did was move my maintained point up from 235 to 240.









--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.

Carmen

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.

Carmen

"Carmen" wrote in message
...

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.


They are kind of hard to find, but yeah.

"Carmen" wrote in message
...

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.


They are kind of hard to find, but yeah.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
"Carmen" wrote in message
...

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.


They are kind of hard to find, but yeah.



The taste a lot like eagle

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
"Carmen" wrote in message
...

"Luna" wrote in message
...
Duh. For some people it is _easier_ to not eat eat too much on
OWL.

JC wrote:
Owls are low carb.

I've heard tell the spotted ones taste like chicken.


They are kind of hard to find, but yeah.



The taste a lot like eagle