Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

"determined" wrote in message
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

I'm just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell
me I
shouldn't talk to him either.

Talk to him all you want - in the group that he set up for talking
about
it. Is it really all that hard to understand?

Actually, yes it is. Why shouldn't we be free to talk here? There are
certainly some extremely obnoxious threads here right now that haven't
been jumped on the way this rather innocuous thread has been.

Caleb posts are considered trolling and off topid to ASD. Therefore if
you want to continue with an off topic dialog with a troll, then do not
be surprised with others chose to classify you in the same category as
they do him, and kill file you, ignore you and lose respect in you.
Your credibility is at risk by continuing your dialog with him in this
forum.

Why are you so upset about something so minor? You are making yourself
look like a control freak. Just ignore the threads you do not want to
participate in. That's what I do.

I guess we're just a bunch of control freaks then. Have fun with Caleb.

"We"? "A bunch"? How many people are you including in this? I just think
you are overreacting. Especially since there are a few threads right now
that are far worse than this one.

"Caleb" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 4, 8:33 pm, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I
tried
to
do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step
meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of
us
seem
to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind
to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only
by my
past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming
today.
2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today.

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you
say
that?

Google is your friend.

Teachrmama -- I was pretty sure you wouldn't receive a decent response
to your question.

I wonder if Google can tell me my favorite color? How many coins I
have in my pocket? How many teeth I have in my mouth?

This is typical of a lot of criticism -- make the accusations and then
run away when someone asks you to be specific. Throw enough stuff
against the wall and maybe some of it will stick, or people may just
remember that there was a lot of criticism, whether or not all of it
is just baloney.

I really don't know why people dislike my posts the way they do. As I
have said earlier, I do not swear at others, etc., and am not negative
unless others are negative first. Also, the specifics of what I
propose regarding weight loss are extremely mainstream, something that
physicians are generally likely to agree with. Speculating as to
motives is usually not very helpful.

I don't have a medical degree - don't pretend to be a physician, etc.

No medical degree, but you do have a PhD in psychology, so you should have a
freaking clue.

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I don't doubt that you have a darn good reason for your choices. I'm
just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell me I
shouldn't talk to him either. THAT's the part that I find odd.


I didn't say you couldn't/shouldn't talk to him - I suggested to you
that if you wish to continue the dialog with him that you take it to the
appropriate newsgroup that he setup for his plan, out of respect to the
rest of this group.

Do you tell everyone that participates in threads you do not approve of
the same thing?

YES. Especially with the track record this moron has.

And do they all obey you?

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I
tried
to
do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step
meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of
us
seem
to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind
to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only by
my
past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming
today.
2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today.

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say
that?

Google is your friend.

And you think there is something posted where he says he *deliberately*
regains weight? I have in the past had my problems maintaining weight loss,
but I never *deliberately* regained weight. This time around I have chosen
to adopte a permanent change in my way of eating and my activity level. I
intend to put every effort into nurturing habits that will maintain my
desired weight. But that does not mean that my failures in the past were
*deliberate.* They were, in fact, stepping stones to my success today. How
can you be sure that he deliberately regains the weight?

On Feb 4, 9:23 pm, "determined" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Feb 4, 8:33 pm, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
...
teachrmama wrote:

Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I
tried
to
do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step
meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of
us
seem
to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind
to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only
by my
past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming
today.
2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today.

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you
say
that?

Google is your friend.

Teachrmama -- I was pretty sure you wouldn't receive a decent response
to your question.

I wonder if Google can tell me my favorite color? How many coins I
have in my pocket? How many teeth I have in my mouth?

This is typical of a lot of criticism -- make the accusations and then
run away when someone asks you to be specific. Throw enough stuff
against the wall and maybe some of it will stick, or people may just
remember that there was a lot of criticism, whether or not all of it
is just baloney.

I really don't know why people dislike my posts the way they do. As I
have said earlier, I do not swear at others, etc., and am not negative
unless others are negative first. Also, the specifics of what I
propose regarding weight loss are extremely mainstream, something that
physicians are generally likely to agree with. Speculating as to
motives is usually not very helpful.

I don't have a medical degree - don't pretend to be a physician, etc.

No medical degree, but you do have a PhD in psychology, so you should have a
freaking clue.

I also have learned generally to try to treat people with respect and
am interested in finding out how the world works. I also have no
interest on raining on anyone's parade, etc.

But it really does surprise me that some people on ASD are so cavalier
with their "statements of truth" and with the criticisms they have for
others. As Walter Mondale said to Reagan: "It's not what we don't know
that's going to get us -- it's what we know that just ain't so!"

Interesting phenomenon.

Caleb

On Feb 4, 9:17 pm, Mu wrote:
On 2 Feb 2007 09:06:46 -0800, Caleb wrote:



If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day diet, and
how much you regained from day 101 onwards?

janice

So it is him!

Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on alt.support.diet.low-calorie my
progress.

I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult or
complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is not
easy.

I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that tough to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first started this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc., etc.

Couple of points for people to remember:

There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their attention.

It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up.

Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since '99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb" "balance
beam" on Google.)

Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.

Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle speeding up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.

Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you, you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may vary!" And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for different
folks.

To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things.

Yours,

Caleb

Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.

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Mu -- I would agree with you that calorie counting is somewhat
inexact, especially in the real world. But I also think it's quite
useful for a lot of different decisions. People who say they're eating
like birds but weigh hundreds of pounds are simply mistaken, not
telling the truth, are confused, etc. As Ravussin (in the Pennington)
study said, at the end of the day it's the calories in versus the
calories burned.

Some people can take more calories in and not convert it to fat, and
people like that should be *&^%$# and then they should be &#@#* before
they're boiled in oil! Just kidding, of course.

Unfortunately calories count, and no one gets fat on pure water. Of
course it's a lot easier to restrict our dog's diet than it is to
restrict our own diet. (I think in part this is because knowing we can
actually have something close at hand -- like potato chips, or the ice
cream back in the fridge -- can increase our appetite. However,
knowing that one couldn't have something -- maybe something we're
allergic to -- doesn't have the same effect. This is true for me and I
think true for many others as well.)

Yours,

Caleb

On Feb 4, 9:16 pm, "determined" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

ps.com...



On Feb 4, 6:42 pm, "LFM" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote in message

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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

I'm just not clear on why you think that gives you the right to tell
me
I
shouldn't talk to him either.

Talk to him all you want - in the group that he set up for talking
about
it. Is it really all that hard to understand?

Actually, yes it is. Why shouldn't we be free to talk here? There are
certainly some extremely obnoxious threads here right now that haven't
been jumped on the way this rather innocuous thread has been.

Caleb posts are considered trolling and off topid to ASD. Therefore if
you
want to continue with an off topic dialog with a troll, then do not be
surprised with others chose to classify you in the same category as they
do
him, and kill file you, ignore you and lose respect in you. Your
credibility is at risk by continuing your dialog with him in this forum.

LFM - Who exactly died and made you chief of the world? Guilt by
declaration is right up there with a belief in a flat earth.

Your accusations are childish, shrill, and will turn others against
you. They are so 7th and 8th grade: "If you're friends with Lucy then
you can't be friends with me! But I will like you if you don't like
Lucy!"

I'll talk to almost anyone on matters of importance -- and I sure wish
that Herr Bush would do the same thing.

By the way, what is the secret group that you're a member off that
gets to decide who the trolls are and whether I'm off-topic "to ASD"?
What is your secret hand shake? Do you get to wear masks and
headdresses? Reminds me of Senator Joe McCarthy (intoning slowly
because it seems as though he knows what he's tlaking about): "My
friends, I have in my hands a list of the communists who have taken
over the government... Are you now or have you ever been a member of
the communist party?" Ooo! Ooo! I have just the update: "Are you now
talking to -- or have you ever talked to -- Caleb on ASD after we told
you not to do so?"

Inquiring minds want to know -- when did the secret group convene? Do
you have the minutes of the meeting? Who wrote up the bylaws? Who else
is on the docket in the future to be so censured?

What weight-loss topics are fobidden on ASD? etc., etc.

So one can see that trying to stiffle free speech on this group is
somewhat like trying to capture a cloud with a butterfly net. Pretty
darned tough to do. You are responsible for yourself, and perhaps your
children (if you have any), and for your dog. I'd try not to
micromanage the cat, though. Our cat hates it.

Yours,

Caleb

And to think you are a clinical psychologist. Unbelievable. You know, you
live in my zip code, maybe we could meet for coffee or something, and you
could really psychoanalyze me.

Determined --

Actually, I don't do psychoanalysis. Also I don't work with people I
know personally.
I could recommend some local people who actually do that kind of
therapy.

Caleb

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:16:26 -0800, determined wrote:


Yours,

Caleb

And to think you are a clinical psychologist. Unbelievable.

Uh, DeterminedToBeADumbass, he's not.

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:17:03 -0800, determined wrote:

Do you tell everyone that participates in threads you do not approve of
the same thing?

YES. Especially with the track record this moron has.

lol

rest case

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"Mu" wrote in message
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On 2 Feb 2007 09:06:46 -0800, Caleb wrote:

If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day diet, and
how much you regained from day 101 onwards?

janice

So it is him!

Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on alt.support.diet.low-calorie my
progress.

I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult or
complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is not
easy.

I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that tough to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first started this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc., etc.

Couple of points for people to remember:

There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their attention.

It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up.

Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since '99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb" "balance
beam" on Google.)

Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.

Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle speeding up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.

Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you, you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may vary!" And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for different
folks.

To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things.

Yours,

Caleb

Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.

Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the
assistance of exercise.

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..

And, of course, there are many, many other benefits to being physically
active besides just the calories burned - increased cardiovascular fitness
(strangely, whacko Chung never mentions this...perhaps he's too tired to
exercise due to his eating disorder), increased mental function, decreased
depression, etc., etc.

GG


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