Chung

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of carbs,
proteins
and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake (i.e. it is
low
protein) for most Americans but more than adequate amount of protein
for
addressing concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.

Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of refined sugar
and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

Mirek

Mirek Fidler wrote:

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of carbs,
proteins
and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake (i.e. it is
low
protein) for most Americans but more than adequate amount of protein
for
addressing concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.


An assorted variety.


Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of refined sugar
and 300gms of vegetable oil.


Only for the untruthful.


Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?


No.


And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.


Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.


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Andrew

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tcomeau wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message news:1095202314.6h27SItYJkRTFLd9mTMl4Q@teranews. ..
MU wrote:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:19:41 GMT, Jennifer S. wrote:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.


I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.


Low in intelligence, low in common sense, low in scientific support,
low in credibility.


Your judgment.

Sorry the truth behind the 2PD Approach bothers you.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.


Please consider the following to save yourself:

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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Mirek Fidler wrote:
Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.


An assorted variety.

Hasn't anyone else done the math on this?
300 g protein = 1200 calories
300 g fats = 2700 calories
300 g carbs = 1200 calories
For whopping total of 5100 calories

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

Way, way, way wrong. According to the USDA, the average protein intake is
75 g per day. The only claims otherwise come off radical vegan sites that
jack this number up for reasons of their own. The current recommended
protein intake for a healthy person is between 40-60g per day.

And while I'm at it, I'm a Christian and have been known to share my
beliefs with friends and colleagues who expressed an interest, but I must
say I find your rude and pushy proselytizing obnoxious and inappropriate
on this ng. And turning the other cheek and gushing about how you love
someone you've never met doesn't make your pushiness any less rude.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

In alt.support.diet.low-carb Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Mirek Fidler wrote:
Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.


An assorted variety.

Hasn't anyone else done the math on this?
300 g protein = 1200 calories
300 g fats = 2700 calories
300 g carbs = 1200 calories
For whopping total of 5100 calories

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

Way, way, way wrong. According to the USDA, the average protein intake is
75 g per day. The only claims otherwise come off radical vegan sites that
jack this number up for reasons of their own. The current recommended
protein intake for a healthy person is between 40-60g per day.

And while I'm at it, I'm a Christian and have been known to share my
beliefs with friends and colleagues who expressed an interest, but I must
say I find your rude and pushy proselytizing obnoxious and inappropriate
on this ng. And turning the other cheek and gushing about how you love
someone you've never met doesn't make your pushiness any less rude.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat
daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g MUFA
and 10g PUFA).

I thought you might want to know it.

In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g. nuts
(as fat source) on 2PD.

But for the cardiologist relying on every mg of LDL your statements are
very, well, unprecise.

Mirek

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat
daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g MUFA
and 10g PUFA).

I thought you might want to know it.

In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g. nuts
(as fat source) on 2PD.

But for the cardiologist relying on every mg of LDL your statements are
very, well, unprecise.

Mirek

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Mirek Fidler wrote:

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of
carbs, proteins and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of
food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake
(i.e. it is low protein) for most Americans

Note below that Chung says "average typical American intake *probably*
exceeds 1 pound of meat daily" as his index. [asterisk emphasis mine]
He doesn't know, makes an unsubstantiated guess, and equates meat with
protein at 100%.

but more than adequate amount of protein for addressing
concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

300 grams of protein is several times

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of
carbs/protein/fat in 900g package.

An assorted variety.

Not responsive. Not accurate. Not a chance unless severely processed.

Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of
refined sugar and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Only for the untruthful.

Only for the unscientific. Only for the dissemblers who can't deal
with facts and speak rashly without information. Only for the frauds
who make stupid statements to "win" an argument.

Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

No.

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than
average intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably

"probably"=guesswork.

exceeds 1 pound of meat daily (many American folks will routinely
eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just dinner). This would be more than
450 grams.

It would be from 340 to 454 grams of *meat* not protein.

A well-trimmed, raw prime-grade strip steak weighing one pound, 16
ounces - 454 grams - will contain less than 100 grams of protein. It
will contain more than 65% - 300 grams - of water. And about 850
calories. 100 grams of protein=400 cal. 50 grams of fat=450 cal. For a
comparable, cooked-weight, one-pound steak, the balance changes
because of dehydration to about 130 grams protein and 60 grams fat for
actual caloric value of 1110. These numbers will vary significantly
depending on the cut of meat, the animal it comes from and cooked
versus raw weight, but never will they come anywhere near equating
meat=protein.

According to Chung's silly statement, there's apparently no water or
fat or anything else in beef, and the caloric content of that raw
steak would be 1800 calories versus the actual 850.

Now let's watch him fimble and fumble saying that dieters shouldn't be
told the truth and the estimates are valid for weight loss and yadda
yadda...

It's not bad enough that Chung has done his insane mathematics about
calories in bread and potatoes, now it's grams of protein. For him,
meat=protein. Like potatoes=100% carbs. Like bread=4000 cal/2 pounds.

This is how Chung proves, shows, demonstrates his quackery. He
pretends to knowledge he doesn't have and he guesses, all the while
claiming to be a scientist and merely trying to "win" another dispute
of his own making.

Bob

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Mirek Fidler wrote:

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of
carbs, proteins and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of
food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake
(i.e. it is low protein) for most Americans

Note below that Chung says "average typical American intake *probably*
exceeds 1 pound of meat daily" as his index. [asterisk emphasis mine]
He doesn't know, makes an unsubstantiated guess, and equates meat with
protein at 100%.

but more than adequate amount of protein for addressing
concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

300 grams of protein is several times

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of
carbs/protein/fat in 900g package.

An assorted variety.

Not responsive. Not accurate. Not a chance unless severely processed.

Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of
refined sugar and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Only for the untruthful.

Only for the unscientific. Only for the dissemblers who can't deal
with facts and speak rashly without information. Only for the frauds
who make stupid statements to "win" an argument.

Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

No.

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than
average intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably

"probably"=guesswork.

exceeds 1 pound of meat daily (many American folks will routinely
eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just dinner). This would be more than
450 grams.

It would be from 340 to 454 grams of *meat* not protein.

A well-trimmed, raw prime-grade strip steak weighing one pound, 16
ounces - 454 grams - will contain less than 100 grams of protein. It
will contain more than 65% - 300 grams - of water. And about 850
calories. 100 grams of protein=400 cal. 50 grams of fat=450 cal. For a
comparable, cooked-weight, one-pound steak, the balance changes
because of dehydration to about 130 grams protein and 60 grams fat for
actual caloric value of 1110. These numbers will vary significantly
depending on the cut of meat, the animal it comes from and cooked
versus raw weight, but never will they come anywhere near equating
meat=protein.

According to Chung's silly statement, there's apparently no water or
fat or anything else in beef, and the caloric content of that raw
steak would be 1800 calories versus the actual 850.

Now let's watch him fimble and fumble saying that dieters shouldn't be
told the truth and the estimates are valid for weight loss and yadda
yadda...

It's not bad enough that Chung has done his insane mathematics about
calories in bread and potatoes, now it's grams of protein. For him,
meat=protein. Like potatoes=100% carbs. Like bread=4000 cal/2 pounds.

This is how Chung proves, shows, demonstrates his quackery. He
pretends to knowledge he doesn't have and he guesses, all the while
claiming to be a scientist and merely trying to "win" another dispute
of his own making.

Bob

Mirek Fidler wrote:

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat
daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g MUFA
and 10g PUFA).


Not for 450 grams of *cooked* lean meat. What you describe as more than 40%
fat (by weight) would not be usual.


I thought you might want to know it.


It is not clear to me what you want me to know.


In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g. nuts
(as fat source) on 2PD.


I suspect otherwise.


But for the cardiologist relying on every mg of LDL your statements are
very, well, unprecise.


Your judgment.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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