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LCer09 wrote:

bulimics aren't necessarily concerned with "effective fat loss."
they're concerned with *weight* loss, and i don't think it matters much
whether it's fat or healthy muscle. you're trying to apply logic to an
eating disorder - they don't really work that way.

I was thinking the same thing. If a person is fixated with a number on the
scale in an unhealthy way, they won't care how they get to that number, they
just want to *get* there.

exactly.

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::::: Cubit wrote:
:::::::::::::: Sugar Alcohols sure do act like laxatives. The upside
:::::::::::::: is that some folks abuse laxatives to lose weight.
:::::::::::::: There is a good chance you have come out ahead.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: How does that work? Using laxatives to lose weight, I
:::::::::::: mean?
:::::::::::
::::::::::: you overeat, then take enough laxatives to **** out
::::::::::: everything you ate. not exactly rocket science.
:::::::::
::::::::: er, are you saying this results in a net calorie deficit?
::::::::
:::::::: did i appear to say that? i'm saying that's how the method is
:::::::: used, nothing more and nothing less. you can figure out the
:::::::: results of it for yourself - if you care to.
::::::
:::::: But that's the question I'm asking based on what Cubit wrote -
:::::: which appears to imply that there is an 'upside' to SAs due to
:::::: their laxative effect. The mere emptying of the bowel and fluid
:::::: loss won't result in any fat loss. Also, as far as I know, you're
:::::: not ****ting out what you ate as the result of taking a laxative
:::::: (I've eaten enough SAs to know this first hand, too). What goes
:::::: into the stomach still has to get processed by the body, though
:::::: it is easy to see how sucking out liquids can interfere with
:::::: nutritent absorption.
:::::
::::: if it wasn't an effective purging technique, bulimics wouldn't be
::::: using it. they are, and they have for years. you may draw your
::::: own conclusions.
:::
::: Perhaps that's just a misconception on their part thinking that
::: they can rid their bodies of food via the use of laxiatives....some
::: reading on the net indicates that laxatives aren't effective for
::: fat loss.
::
:: bulimics aren't necessarily concerned with "effective fat loss."
:: they're concerned with *weight* loss, and i don't think it matters
:: much whether it's fat or healthy muscle. you're trying to apply
:: logic to an eating disorder - they don't really work that way.

I'm not trying to apply any logic to an eating disorder....I referring to
the comment that Cubit made in regards to coming out ahead on weight loss
due to the consumption of SAs. I don't believe that happens in any real
sense. The use of laxatives generally doesn't result in any fat loss. In
the case of bulimics, they don't purge food via laxative use (afaik), though
they may purge liquid and ****.

::
::: Also, if I'm not mistaken, bulimia is a disorder, so drawing
::: conclusions from the behavor of bulimics about the effective use of
::: laxatives doesn't seem so smart.
::
:: i never said that i personally thought it was effective or smart. i
:: said that people do it. it's a fact. i'm not making any judgements
:: or arguments as to the wisdom or effectiveness of it.

Again, I was, and am, attempting to set the record straight about fat loss
via laxatives, in regards to Cubit's comment. You're talking about what
people with disorders do. They may indeed attempt to purge, but they aren't
losing any fat, and they certainly don't come out ahead. They are not
****ting out what they ate, so if they overate, it's still going to
negatively affect their weight. Obviously, taking a laxative will induce
****ting, but it wont' do much for the fat that people carry around.

::
::: Besides, I thought they barfed out food...
::
:: there are all kinds of ways to purge, including over-exercising.
:: read up.

Extra exercise in response to eating too much is generally not a bad thing.
I don't consider that a purge, either.

Roger Zoul wrote:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::::: Cubit wrote:
:::::::::::::: Sugar Alcohols sure do act like laxatives. The upside
:::::::::::::: is that some folks abuse laxatives to lose weight.
:::::::::::::: There is a good chance you have come out ahead.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: How does that work? Using laxatives to lose weight, I
:::::::::::: mean?
:::::::::::
::::::::::: you overeat, then take enough laxatives to **** out
::::::::::: everything you ate. not exactly rocket science.
:::::::::
::::::::: er, are you saying this results in a net calorie deficit?
::::::::
:::::::: did i appear to say that? i'm saying that's how the method is
:::::::: used, nothing more and nothing less. you can figure out the
:::::::: results of it for yourself - if you care to.
::::::
:::::: But that's the question I'm asking based on what Cubit wrote -
:::::: which appears to imply that there is an 'upside' to SAs due to
:::::: their laxative effect. The mere emptying of the bowel and fluid
:::::: loss won't result in any fat loss. Also, as far as I know, you're
:::::: not ****ting out what you ate as the result of taking a laxative
:::::: (I've eaten enough SAs to know this first hand, too). What goes
:::::: into the stomach still has to get processed by the body, though
:::::: it is easy to see how sucking out liquids can interfere with
:::::: nutritent absorption.
:::::
::::: if it wasn't an effective purging technique, bulimics wouldn't be
::::: using it. they are, and they have for years. you may draw your
::::: own conclusions.
:::
::: Perhaps that's just a misconception on their part thinking that
::: they can rid their bodies of food via the use of laxiatives....some
::: reading on the net indicates that laxatives aren't effective for
::: fat loss.
::
:: bulimics aren't necessarily concerned with "effective fat loss."
:: they're concerned with *weight* loss, and i don't think it matters
:: much whether it's fat or healthy muscle. you're trying to apply
:: logic to an eating disorder - they don't really work that way.

I'm not trying to apply any logic to an eating disorder....I referring to
the comment that Cubit made in regards to coming out ahead on weight loss
due to the consumption of SAs.

i don't know what cubit thinks. i don't know why he posted what he did.
he doesn't seem to care to respond to you, so you may never know.

I don't believe that happens in any real sense. The use of laxatives
generally doesn't result in any fat loss. In the case of bulimics, they
don't purge food via laxative use (afaik), though they may purge liquid
and ****.

you wanted to know how it works, and i told you how the people who do it
think it works. i never said it actually worked, or was an effective
way to lose weight.

::: Also, if I'm not mistaken, bulimia is a disorder, so drawing
::: conclusions from the behavor of bulimics about the effective use of
::: laxatives doesn't seem so smart.
::
:: i never said that i personally thought it was effective or smart. i
:: said that people do it. it's a fact. i'm not making any judgements
:: or arguments as to the wisdom or effectiveness of it.

Again, I was, and am, attempting to set the record straight about fat loss
via laxatives, in regards to Cubit's comment. You're talking about what
people with disorders do. They may indeed attempt to purge, but they aren't
losing any fat, and they certainly don't come out ahead. They are not
****ting out what they ate, so if they overate, it's still going to
negatively affect their weight. Obviously, taking a laxative will induce
****ting, but it wont' do much for the fat that people carry around.

you don't understand how eating disorders work. they are far less about
losing weight than they are about control.

::: Besides, I thought they barfed out food...
::
:: there are all kinds of ways to purge, including over-exercising.
:: read up.

Extra exercise in response to eating too much is generally not a bad thing.
I don't consider that a purge, either.

read up. you are missing quite a few pieces of the picture.

Roger Zoul wrote:

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
:::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::::: The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
::::::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::::: Cubit wrote:
:::::::::::::: Sugar Alcohols sure do act like laxatives. The upside
:::::::::::::: is that some folks abuse laxatives to lose weight.
:::::::::::::: There is a good chance you have come out ahead.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: How does that work? Using laxatives to lose weight, I
:::::::::::: mean?
:::::::::::
::::::::::: you overeat, then take enough laxatives to **** out
::::::::::: everything you ate. not exactly rocket science.
:::::::::
::::::::: er, are you saying this results in a net calorie deficit?
::::::::
:::::::: did i appear to say that? i'm saying that's how the method is
:::::::: used, nothing more and nothing less. you can figure out the
:::::::: results of it for yourself - if you care to.
::::::
:::::: But that's the question I'm asking based on what Cubit wrote -
:::::: which appears to imply that there is an 'upside' to SAs due to
:::::: their laxative effect. The mere emptying of the bowel and fluid
:::::: loss won't result in any fat loss. Also, as far as I know, you're
:::::: not ****ting out what you ate as the result of taking a laxative
:::::: (I've eaten enough SAs to know this first hand, too). What goes
:::::: into the stomach still has to get processed by the body, though
:::::: it is easy to see how sucking out liquids can interfere with
:::::: nutritent absorption.
:::::
::::: if it wasn't an effective purging technique, bulimics wouldn't be
::::: using it. they are, and they have for years. you may draw your
::::: own conclusions.
:::
::: Perhaps that's just a misconception on their part thinking that
::: they can rid their bodies of food via the use of laxiatives....some
::: reading on the net indicates that laxatives aren't effective for
::: fat loss.
::
:: bulimics aren't necessarily concerned with "effective fat loss."
:: they're concerned with *weight* loss, and i don't think it matters
:: much whether it's fat or healthy muscle. you're trying to apply
:: logic to an eating disorder - they don't really work that way.

I'm not trying to apply any logic to an eating disorder....I referring to
the comment that Cubit made in regards to coming out ahead on weight loss
due to the consumption of SAs.

i don't know what cubit thinks. i don't know why he posted what he did.
he doesn't seem to care to respond to you, so you may never know.

I don't believe that happens in any real sense. The use of laxatives
generally doesn't result in any fat loss. In the case of bulimics, they
don't purge food via laxative use (afaik), though they may purge liquid
and ****.

you wanted to know how it works, and i told you how the people who do it
think it works. i never said it actually worked, or was an effective
way to lose weight.

::: Also, if I'm not mistaken, bulimia is a disorder, so drawing
::: conclusions from the behavor of bulimics about the effective use of
::: laxatives doesn't seem so smart.
::
:: i never said that i personally thought it was effective or smart. i
:: said that people do it. it's a fact. i'm not making any judgements
:: or arguments as to the wisdom or effectiveness of it.

Again, I was, and am, attempting to set the record straight about fat loss
via laxatives, in regards to Cubit's comment. You're talking about what
people with disorders do. They may indeed attempt to purge, but they aren't
losing any fat, and they certainly don't come out ahead. They are not
****ting out what they ate, so if they overate, it's still going to
negatively affect their weight. Obviously, taking a laxative will induce
****ting, but it wont' do much for the fat that people carry around.

you don't understand how eating disorders work. they are far less about
losing weight than they are about control.

::: Besides, I thought they barfed out food...
::
:: there are all kinds of ways to purge, including over-exercising.
:: read up.

Extra exercise in response to eating too much is generally not a bad thing.
I don't consider that a purge, either.

read up. you are missing quite a few pieces of the picture.

Hi,
On 14-Sep-2004, "jk" wrote:

I went out on a limb, and tried the cheesecake again. In my case
it look like it's a cumulative effect rather than the one SA. I
ate a deadly
combo that night.

Well, I'm glad you didn't end up suffering some more, but what were
you thinking? Is the cheesecake *that* good?

Enquiring minds and all that...

Take care,
Carmen

Hi,
On 14-Sep-2004, "jk" wrote:

I went out on a limb, and tried the cheesecake again. In my case
it look like it's a cumulative effect rather than the one SA. I
ate a deadly
combo that night.

Well, I'm glad you didn't end up suffering some more, but what were
you thinking? Is the cheesecake *that* good?

Enquiring minds and all that...

Take care,
Carmen

I reviewed this on the internet. There seems to be a big push to tell
anorexics that using laxatives is ineffective in losing weight. I feel the
people saying this are the same people that insist you need lots of carbs to
be balanced. Medical people do lie to manipulate patients.

If you consider that laxative addicts are typically rail thin anorexics, the
truth may be that laxatives do significantly reduce caloric absorption.

The following is from a webpage:
"In one experiment, a group of laxative abusers ate a high calorie meal. A
group of normal people ate the same food, which totaled several thousand
calories. The laxative abusers took their purgatives of choice. The normal
people let nature take its course. Researchers collected all the material
passed in bowel movements and tested it for calorie content. Even after
consuming thousands of calories and massive amounts of laxatives, the
laxative abusers managed to remove only about 100 extra calories from their
bodies, the amount found in one small cookie. "

The study is not identified. If they didn't just make all this up, I'm
wondering if low calorie meals would have different results.


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Cubit wrote:
|| Sugar Alcohols sure do act like laxatives. The upside is that some
|| folks abuse laxatives to lose weight. There is a good chance you
|| have come out ahead.

How does that work? Using laxatives to lose weight, I mean?

I reviewed this on the internet. There seems to be a big push to tell
anorexics that using laxatives is ineffective in losing weight. I feel the
people saying this are the same people that insist you need lots of carbs to
be balanced. Medical people do lie to manipulate patients.

If you consider that laxative addicts are typically rail thin anorexics, the
truth may be that laxatives do significantly reduce caloric absorption.

The following is from a webpage:
"In one experiment, a group of laxative abusers ate a high calorie meal. A
group of normal people ate the same food, which totaled several thousand
calories. The laxative abusers took their purgatives of choice. The normal
people let nature take its course. Researchers collected all the material
passed in bowel movements and tested it for calorie content. Even after
consuming thousands of calories and massive amounts of laxatives, the
laxative abusers managed to remove only about 100 extra calories from their
bodies, the amount found in one small cookie. "

The study is not identified. If they didn't just make all this up, I'm
wondering if low calorie meals would have different results.


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Cubit wrote:
|| Sugar Alcohols sure do act like laxatives. The upside is that some
|| folks abuse laxatives to lose weight. There is a good chance you
|| have come out ahead.

How does that work? Using laxatives to lose weight, I mean?

"Carmen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
On 14-Sep-2004, "jk" wrote:

I went out on a limb, and tried the cheesecake again. In my case
it look like it's a cumulative effect rather than the one SA. I
ate a deadly
combo that night.

Well, I'm glad you didn't end up suffering some more, but what were
you thinking? Is the cheesecake *that* good?

Enquiring minds and all that...

Take care,
Carmen

I don't know where you're from Carmen, but Juniors cheesecake is the
undisputed king of NewYork for over 50 years. Their sugar free is better
than sex on an airplane!

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

"Carmen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
On 14-Sep-2004, "jk" wrote:

I went out on a limb, and tried the cheesecake again. In my case
it look like it's a cumulative effect rather than the one SA. I
ate a deadly
combo that night.

Well, I'm glad you didn't end up suffering some more, but what were
you thinking? Is the cheesecake *that* good?

Enquiring minds and all that...

Take care,
Carmen

I don't know where you're from Carmen, but Juniors cheesecake is the
undisputed king of NewYork for over 50 years. Their sugar free is better
than sex on an airplane!

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories