Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?

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"jk" wrote:


Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

Oh, now I get it. It won't make you fat to eat that way because you'll
puke most of it back up.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

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In article ,
"jk" wrote:


Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

Oh, now I get it. It won't make you fat to eat that way because you'll
puke most of it back up.

--
Michelle Levin


Now that's yet another reason aside from diahrea. But seriously... eating
5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a fact that
dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only when you add
carbs to it, that the body starts converting.

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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In article ,
"jk" wrote:


Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

Oh, now I get it. It won't make you fat to eat that way because you'll
puke most of it back up.

--
Michelle Levin


Now that's yet another reason aside from diahrea. But seriously... eating
5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a fact that
dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only when you add
carbs to it, that the body starts converting.

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

jk wrote:

But seriously... eating 5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you
fat. It's a fact that dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat.
It's only when you add carbs to it, that the body starts converting.

you don't know what words mean, do you?

jk wrote:
Now that's yet another reason aside from diahrea. But seriously... eating
5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a fact that
dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only when you add
carbs to it, that the body starts converting.

I think you've been reading too many of the goofy-LC forums that do
Atkins by the newspaper headlines, not by the book.

168/125/125 7 years: LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Oh, I don't know about that. That's only 6.25 8-oz glasses of cream.
Spread over a day? Can I have some SF Jello with it? G


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Luna stated
| In article ,
| "jk" wrote:
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|| Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
|| calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or
|| lose weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for
|| your report.
|
| Oh, now I get it. It won't make you fat to eat that way because
| you'll puke most of it back up.
|
| --
| Michelle Levin
| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
|
| I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
| flaws.

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"Ernie Sty" wrote in message
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I have been doing low-carb for a while, but I haven't been watching my
calories.

I had been on a very low-fat diet, limited to 2000 calories, and I
lost a
LOT of weight, but the cravings became too much and I started binging
on
lots of junk food and not counting calories.

I've switched to low-carb because LC helps keep away the cravings, but
so
far I have only stopped gaining weight (which is a victory in itself)
but
have not lost any. I may be eating too much. I try to stick to three
meals
per day with no snacks, but I seem to be eating a lot of high-fat
foods.
I
know fats are necessary, but is it possible to eat so much fat that
you
won't lose weight even keeping the carbs under, say, 20 grams per day?

Or maybe I am just not being patient enough. I think I will wait a
couple
more months (I am 298 now) and see how it goes.



This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating too
much
fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of fat a day, and
I
guarantee you it will run right through your body and you'll lose
weight.
The problem is if you eat lots of other things with your fat. For me I
can
eat a 3 lb fatty steak and still not gain an ounce. Once I add veggies
and
about 40-50 carbs a day, then there's a big difference. I never found a
problem though, because doing LC has slowly reduced my desire for the
huge
amounts of food I used to eat. When I sit down to eat I don't think of
portion control at all anymore. When you get to the maintenance stage of
LC,
you have other sets of issues to deal with, so I wouldn't worry about it
now. 6 years and 50 lbs Atkins guy

bull****. if you eat 5000 calories of fat you will get fat.


Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

you first.

"jk" wrote in message ...
"billydee" wrote in message
om...
"jk" wrote in message
.net...
"Ernie Sty" wrote in message
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I have been doing low-carb for a while, but I haven't been watching my
calories.

I had been on a very low-fat diet, limited to 2000 calories, and I
lost a
LOT of weight, but the cravings became too much and I started binging
on
lots of junk food and not counting calories.

I've switched to low-carb because LC helps keep away the cravings, but
so
far I have only stopped gaining weight (which is a victory in itself)
but
have not lost any. I may be eating too much. I try to stick to three
meals
per day with no snacks, but I seem to be eating a lot of high-fat
foods.
I
know fats are necessary, but is it possible to eat so much fat that
you
won't lose weight even keeping the carbs under, say, 20 grams per day?

Or maybe I am just not being patient enough. I think I will wait a
couple
more months (I am 298 now) and see how it goes.



This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating too
much
fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of fat a day, and
I
guarantee you it will run right through your body and you'll lose
weight.
The problem is if you eat lots of other things with your fat. For me I
can
eat a 3 lb fatty steak and still not gain an ounce. Once I add veggies
and
about 40-50 carbs a day, then there's a big difference. I never found a
problem though, because doing LC has slowly reduced my desire for the
huge
amounts of food I used to eat. When I sit down to eat I don't think of
portion control at all anymore. When you get to the maintenance stage of
LC,
you have other sets of issues to deal with, so I wouldn't worry about it
now. 6 years and 50 lbs Atkins guy

bull****. if you eat 5000 calories of fat you will get fat.


Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

you first.

jk wrote:

Oh really? Why not give it a try. Start today by eating ONLY 5000
calories of butter, or lard, or heavy cream, and see if you gain or lose
weight. Please report back, we're all anxiously waiting for your report.

Oh, now I get it. It won't make you fat to eat that way because you'll
puke most of it back up.

Now that's yet another reason aside from diahrea. But seriously... eating
5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a fact that
dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only when you add
carbs to it, that the body starts converting.

Not true. Being in ketosis does bias the body against storing new fat,
but it isn't absolute insurance against it. Overeat enough and some
new fat will be forced into storage. 5000 should count as overeating
unless you live out in the snow and/or are doing competitive athletics.

1) Ask the Atkins Center if they've ever encountered anyone who was
eating too much fat. There was someone who ate a stick of butter with
cinnamon and splenda each night (most people *can't* eat a plain stick
so the spice and sweet seem to be a way to circumvent that). She
slowly gained new fat while doing so. Less new fat than a stick of
butter so the process was inefficient, but it happened.

2) Eat sufficient saturated fat and the body will respond by
releasing insulin to pull you out of ketosis so the bias is taken
away and that saturated fat can flow into storage. Look up the
insulin feedback loop to research this. It takes a lot, but 5000
calories per day should do.

Ernie Sty wrote:

I had been on a very low-fat diet, limited to 2000 calories
I am 298 now

Are you still near 2000 calories per day? At 298 that's not
overeating.

I may be eating too much.

Maybe. But if you're eating near 2000 now that's not the
problem.

is it possible to eat so much fat that you
won't lose weight even keeping the carbs under, say, 20 grams per day?

It's possible. The Atkins Center has a case of someone who ate
an entire stick of butter every day as a snack and she slowly
gained weight.

Atkins forbids overeating. Again, at 298, 2000 calories is not
overeating.

That 20 could be a problem, though. Many people stall if they
stay at 20 for long. Less does NOT give better loss. Sure, you'd
love to believe that if 40 is good 20 is better. But low fat
diets don't work that way and neither do low carb ones.

Try Atkins. No, I mean read the book and folow the actual
instructions. No, I also mean ignoring justifications for not
moving on to the next chapter. Follow the 4 phases. Two weeks
at 20 and then up from there. You'll be amazed at the results.