DAY THREE OF ALL MEAT

Here is an update to my all meat diet experiment:

I am going through withdrawal from caffeine, aspartame, etc and having
headaches. However, I feel lighter over all. I cant make judgements about mood
or feelings until after the withdrawal period. I have been doing coffee for
years!

I have cut out seasonings except for salt. So far today I have eaten:
Chicken - light and dark meat
2 king crab legs
9 ounce ribeye with all the fat :-)

I do notice I feel better when I have the fattier foods. You definitely cannot
do this diet and keep it low fat. I am allowing myself 2 decaf teabags as
teabags contain .008 or so of carb. But I have even cut out seasonings and egg
whites due to carbohydrate content.

I am determined to show that you can be healthier than you ever dreamed, and
disease free, on a NO carbohydrate diet. I do believe that your body is
resistant to developing illnesses and diseases without the presence of carb. I
also think your brain will function better and you will have more energy and
not have depression or mental problems without carb. But it is just a
hypothesis - we'll have to give it longer than 3 days. It has been hard not for
me to run for a diet soda but I really believe in this.

I encourage any constructive criticism, questions or comments. Please try not
to flame - if you aren't interested in my study, just don't read the thread.
:-) Also, I am taking vitamins and for those of you worried about my lack of
fiber, dont - I have pooped the most gigantic poops of my life - 2 times
yesterday and 2 times so far today :-)

:-)
C.E.D.

"Proud2LoveCats" wrote


I am determined to show that you can be healthier than you ever dreamed,
and
disease free, on a NO carbohydrate diet. I do believe that your body is
resistant to developing illnesses and diseases without the presence of
carb. I
also think your brain will function better and you will have more energy
and
not have depression or mental problems without carb. But it is just a
hypothesis - we'll have to give it longer than 3 days. It has been hard
not for
me to run for a diet soda but I really believe in this.

On what do you base this hypothesis? What is your motivation to do this?
Whether you succeed or fail makes no difference because you are only one
person. You can prove nothing.

I'm neither for or against your doing this, I'm just trying to understand
your motivation.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:05:09 -0700, "Daven Thrice"
wrote:
I'm neither for or against your doing this, I'm just trying to understand
your motivation.

Attention seeking?
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to go on
this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your health. I assume
your brain is important to you. It can only use carbohydrate and can't use
fat or protein, you have a store of carbs in your liver and this is probably
what you'll run on for a few days or weeks, but when that's gorn there's
nothing to replace it. A no carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.

The mistake most people make is that they don't discriminate complex carbs
(Whole grains, potatoes, brown rice etc.) from simple carbs (sugar, refined
flour or baked goods i.e. white bread, refined rice), it is the simple carbs
that are bad for you, but the complex carbs are vital for health in the
right proportions. Vitamins don't contain any fibre (generally), they are
vitamins which is something else. Vegetables contain a mixture cleansing
juices and fibre, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins that
are essential for good health, tablets just can't replace them.

You probably will feel relaxed on the diet but only because your body has to
draw every last bit of blood from your muscles and brain to cope with
digesting all that meat which puts a lot of strain on the body.

I eat mainly vegetables & salads, beans, lentils, natural whole complex
carbs, water, nuts, seeds and a little low sugar fruit (please don't badger
me about not having much fruit, it works) nothing much else does in my
mouth. I never ever get a hint of flu or a cold, I never ever have a
headache, I don't have bad breath, I don't get infections, I have mental
clarity, feel calm, relaxed and have loads of energy when I want it and
sometimes I just bounce around for no particular reason.

If your being serious, I urge you to reconsider what your doing to yourself.
If your not seriously doing this then consider what effect your post could
have on inexperienced dieters.

Nick.

"Proud2LoveCats" wrote in message
...
Here is an update to my all meat diet experiment:

I am going through withdrawal from caffeine, aspartame, etc and having
headaches. However, I feel lighter over all. I cant make judgements about
mood
or feelings until after the withdrawal period. I have been doing coffee
for
years!

I have cut out seasonings except for salt. So far today I have eaten:
Chicken - light and dark meat
2 king crab legs
9 ounce ribeye with all the fat :-)

I do notice I feel better when I have the fattier foods. You definitely
cannot
do this diet and keep it low fat. I am allowing myself 2 decaf teabags as
teabags contain .008 or so of carb. But I have even cut out seasonings and
egg
whites due to carbohydrate content.

I am determined to show that you can be healthier than you ever dreamed,
and
disease free, on a NO carbohydrate diet. I do believe that your body is
resistant to developing illnesses and diseases without the presence of
carb. I
also think your brain will function better and you will have more energy
and
not have depression or mental problems without carb. But it is just a
hypothesis - we'll have to give it longer than 3 days. It has been hard
not for
me to run for a diet soda but I really believe in this.

I encourage any constructive criticism, questions or comments. Please try
not
to flame - if you aren't interested in my study, just don't read the
thread.
:-) Also, I am taking vitamins and for those of you worried about my lack
of
fiber, dont - I have pooped the most gigantic poops of my life - 2 times
yesterday and 2 times so far today :-)

:-)
C.E.D.

I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to go on
this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your health. I assume
your brain is important to you. It can only use carbohydrate and can't use
fat or protein, you have a store of carbs in your liver and this is probably
what you'll run on for a few days or weeks, but when that's gorn there's
nothing to replace it. A no carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.

The mistake most people make is that they don't discriminate complex carbs
(Whole grains, potatoes, brown rice etc.) from simple carbs (sugar, refined
flour or baked goods i.e. white bread, refined rice), it is the simple carbs
that are bad for you, but the complex carbs are vital for health in the
right proportions. Vitamins don't contain any fibre (generally), they are
vitamins which is something else. Vegetables contain a mixture cleansing
juices and fibre, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins that
are essential for good health, tablets just can't replace them.

You probably will feel relaxed on the diet but only because your body has to
draw every last bit of blood from your muscles and brain to cope with
digesting all that meat which puts a lot of strain on the body.

I eat mainly vegetables & salads, beans, lentils, natural whole complex
carbs, water, nuts, seeds and a little low sugar fruit (please don't badger
me about not having much fruit, it works) nothing much else does in my
mouth. I never ever get a hint of flu or a cold, I never ever have a
headache, I don't have bad breath, I don't get infections, I have mental
clarity, feel calm, relaxed and have loads of energy when I want it and
sometimes I just bounce around for no particular reason.

If your being serious, I urge you to reconsider what your doing to yourself.
If your not seriously doing this then consider what effect your post could
have on inexperienced dieters.

Nick.

"Proud2LoveCats" wrote in message
...
Here is an update to my all meat diet experiment:

I am going through withdrawal from caffeine, aspartame, etc and having
headaches. However, I feel lighter over all. I cant make judgements about
mood
or feelings until after the withdrawal period. I have been doing coffee
for
years!

I have cut out seasonings except for salt. So far today I have eaten:
Chicken - light and dark meat
2 king crab legs
9 ounce ribeye with all the fat :-)

I do notice I feel better when I have the fattier foods. You definitely
cannot
do this diet and keep it low fat. I am allowing myself 2 decaf teabags as
teabags contain .008 or so of carb. But I have even cut out seasonings and
egg
whites due to carbohydrate content.

I am determined to show that you can be healthier than you ever dreamed,
and
disease free, on a NO carbohydrate diet. I do believe that your body is
resistant to developing illnesses and diseases without the presence of
carb. I
also think your brain will function better and you will have more energy
and
not have depression or mental problems without carb. But it is just a
hypothesis - we'll have to give it longer than 3 days. It has been hard
not for
me to run for a diet soda but I really believe in this.

I encourage any constructive criticism, questions or comments. Please try
not
to flame - if you aren't interested in my study, just don't read the
thread.
:-) Also, I am taking vitamins and for those of you worried about my lack
of
fiber, dont - I have pooped the most gigantic poops of my life - 2 times
yesterday and 2 times so far today :-)

:-)
C.E.D.

I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to go on
this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your health. I assume
your brain is important to you. It can only use carbohydrate and can't use
fat or protein, you have a store of carbs in your liver and this is probably
what you'll run on for a few days or weeks, but when that's gorn there's
nothing to replace it. A no carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.


I guess the bottom line is that I disagree with what you just said. First off,
I am very serious about this. This is not a put on or something to draw
attention. I believe very strongly in this, I also believe many people could
benefit from an extremely low carb diet, and further, I believe that carbs are
the cause of disease. Are these opinions or fact? Only time will tell and
experiments like these...no one can vouch for a low carb diet or a no carb diet
because there arent that many studies of people who did it for 10 years
plus....of the studies out there, they are ALL favorable toward low-no carb
making you amazingly healthy, disease free, thin, etc. Last night, I felt
clearer than I have in a long time and I was flying around the room. If that
continues, you can bet your booty I will be staying on this diet.


The mistake most people make is that they don't discriminate complex carbs
(Whole grains, potatoes, brown rice etc.) from simple carbs (sugar, refined
flour or baked goods i.e. white bread, refined rice), it is the simple carbs
that are bad for you, but the complex carbs are vital for health in the
right proportions. Vitamins don't contain any fibre (generally), they are
vitamins which is something else. Vegetables contain a mixture cleansing
juices and fibre, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins that
are essential for good health, tablets just can't replace them.

there are 3 macronutrients: protein, fat and carb. Carb is the only one that
you do not need to live. That means without protein, you die. Without fat, you
die. Without carb, you do not die. We have been so hornswaggled by Kellogs,
Nabisco and all the diet and food insdustries making millions off our sugar
addictions, and, subsequent illnesses. You do not need carb to live or live
well! There is no such thing as a good carb vs. bad carb. Carbs are sugar -
different kinds and amounts of sugar, but still sugar. Your body processes
every carb that way - whether it is a bean, a grain, a veggie or an eclair. I
dont want sugar going in my mouth. Sugar is what causes 90% of diseases -
research on it if you dont believe me. Diabetes, high blood pressure, high
cholesterol, heart disease and CANCER - all cannot exist without you eating
sugar.



You probably will feel relaxed on the diet but only because your body has to
draw every last bit of blood from your muscles and brain to cope with
digesting all that meat which puts a lot of strain on the body.


No offense but give me a break.


I eat mainly vegetables & salads, beans, lentils, natural whole complex
carbs, water, nuts, seeds and a little low sugar fruit (please don't badger
me about not having much fruit, it works) nothing much else does in my
mouth. I never ever get a hint of flu or a cold, I never ever have a
headache, I don't have bad breath, I don't get infections, I have mental
clarity, feel calm, relaxed and have loads of energy when I want it and
sometimes I just bounce around for no particular reason.

Number one, you are a man. Mens bodies can easily deal with more carbs than
women. There are a lot of people who can get away with eating that stuff and
feel fine - I am saying you still could be one of the statistics and end up
with a heart attack at 50 from all that sugar you eat.


If your being serious, I urge you to reconsider what your doing to yourself.
If your not seriously doing this then consider what effect your post could
have on inexperienced dieters.

Nick.


I am serious. I hope everyone looks into what I am doing, looks into low carb
if not no carb and sees the disease curing, weight loss, fantastic health
possibilities of this diet. As far as my study goes - it is simply to show that
you do not need carbs to live or be healthy. Thank you for your post :-)
C.E.D

I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to go on
this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your health. I assume
your brain is important to you. It can only use carbohydrate and can't use
fat or protein, you have a store of carbs in your liver and this is probably
what you'll run on for a few days or weeks, but when that's gorn there's
nothing to replace it. A no carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.


I guess the bottom line is that I disagree with what you just said. First off,
I am very serious about this. This is not a put on or something to draw
attention. I believe very strongly in this, I also believe many people could
benefit from an extremely low carb diet, and further, I believe that carbs are
the cause of disease. Are these opinions or fact? Only time will tell and
experiments like these...no one can vouch for a low carb diet or a no carb diet
because there arent that many studies of people who did it for 10 years
plus....of the studies out there, they are ALL favorable toward low-no carb
making you amazingly healthy, disease free, thin, etc. Last night, I felt
clearer than I have in a long time and I was flying around the room. If that
continues, you can bet your booty I will be staying on this diet.


The mistake most people make is that they don't discriminate complex carbs
(Whole grains, potatoes, brown rice etc.) from simple carbs (sugar, refined
flour or baked goods i.e. white bread, refined rice), it is the simple carbs
that are bad for you, but the complex carbs are vital for health in the
right proportions. Vitamins don't contain any fibre (generally), they are
vitamins which is something else. Vegetables contain a mixture cleansing
juices and fibre, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins that
are essential for good health, tablets just can't replace them.

there are 3 macronutrients: protein, fat and carb. Carb is the only one that
you do not need to live. That means without protein, you die. Without fat, you
die. Without carb, you do not die. We have been so hornswaggled by Kellogs,
Nabisco and all the diet and food insdustries making millions off our sugar
addictions, and, subsequent illnesses. You do not need carb to live or live
well! There is no such thing as a good carb vs. bad carb. Carbs are sugar -
different kinds and amounts of sugar, but still sugar. Your body processes
every carb that way - whether it is a bean, a grain, a veggie or an eclair. I
dont want sugar going in my mouth. Sugar is what causes 90% of diseases -
research on it if you dont believe me. Diabetes, high blood pressure, high
cholesterol, heart disease and CANCER - all cannot exist without you eating
sugar.



You probably will feel relaxed on the diet but only because your body has to
draw every last bit of blood from your muscles and brain to cope with
digesting all that meat which puts a lot of strain on the body.


No offense but give me a break.


I eat mainly vegetables & salads, beans, lentils, natural whole complex
carbs, water, nuts, seeds and a little low sugar fruit (please don't badger
me about not having much fruit, it works) nothing much else does in my
mouth. I never ever get a hint of flu or a cold, I never ever have a
headache, I don't have bad breath, I don't get infections, I have mental
clarity, feel calm, relaxed and have loads of energy when I want it and
sometimes I just bounce around for no particular reason.

Number one, you are a man. Mens bodies can easily deal with more carbs than
women. There are a lot of people who can get away with eating that stuff and
feel fine - I am saying you still could be one of the statistics and end up
with a heart attack at 50 from all that sugar you eat.


If your being serious, I urge you to reconsider what your doing to yourself.
If your not seriously doing this then consider what effect your post could
have on inexperienced dieters.

Nick.


I am serious. I hope everyone looks into what I am doing, looks into low carb
if not no carb and sees the disease curing, weight loss, fantastic health
possibilities of this diet. As far as my study goes - it is simply to show that
you do not need carbs to live or be healthy. Thank you for your post :-)
C.E.D

Nick wrote:
I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to
go on this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your
health. I assume your brain is important to you. It can only use
carbohydrate and can't use fat or protein, you have a store of carbs
in your liver and this is probably what you'll run on for a few days
or weeks, but when that's gorn there's nothing to replace it. A no
carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.
snip

While I don't think an all protein diet is wise or healthy (in fact just the
opposite), your reason that when all the glucose in your body is gone there
is nothing to replace it is wrong. Your body manufactures the glucose it
needs from protein. Look up gluconeogenesis.

Nick wrote:
I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to
go on this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your
health. I assume your brain is important to you. It can only use
carbohydrate and can't use fat or protein, you have a store of carbs
in your liver and this is probably what you'll run on for a few days
or weeks, but when that's gorn there's nothing to replace it. A no
carb diet isn't just madness, it's dangerous.
snip

While I don't think an all protein diet is wise or healthy (in fact just the
opposite), your reason that when all the glucose in your body is gone there
is nothing to replace it is wrong. Your body manufactures the glucose it
needs from protein. Look up gluconeogenesis.

"Ignoramus2133" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:53:10 GMT, Nick wrote:
I would also like to know your motivations or reasons for deciding to go
on
this particular diet. But mainly I'm concerned about your health. I
assume
your brain is important to you. It can only use carbohydrate and can't
use
fat or protein, you have a store of carbs in your liver and this is
probably
what you'll run on for a few days or weeks, but when that's gorn there's
nothing to replace it. A no carb diet isn't just madness, it's
dangerous.

Brain can function, at least to a great extent, on "ketones", which
are products of fat metabolism.

Thanks, I'll look into that )


The mistake most people make is that they don't discriminate complex
carbs
(Whole grains, potatoes, brown rice etc.) from simple carbs (sugar,
refined
flour or baked goods i.e. white bread, refined rice), it is the simple
carbs

If anything, the carbohydrates in potatoes are no less "refined" for
the purposes of our digestion, than, say, flour.

Do you mean refined or whole wheat flour? p.s. for the record I don't
personally eat wheat or potatoes for a few different reasons.


that are bad for you, but the complex carbs are vital for health in the
right proportions. Vitamins don't contain any fibre (generally), they
are
vitamins which is something else. Vegetables contain a mixture
cleansing
juices and fibre, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins
that
are essential for good health, tablets just can't replace them.

You probably will feel relaxed on the diet but only because your body
has to
draw every last bit of blood from your muscles and brain to cope with
digesting all that meat which puts a lot of strain on the body.

I eat mainly vegetables & salads, beans, lentils, natural whole complex
carbs, water, nuts, seeds and a little low sugar fruit (please don't
badger
me about not having much fruit, it works) nothing much else does in my
mouth. I never ever get a hint of flu or a cold, I never ever have a
headache, I don't have bad breath, I don't get infections, I have
mental
clarity, feel calm, relaxed and have loads of energy when I want it and
sometimes I just bounce around for no particular reason.

I have not had any colds either, since going on a diet and losing
weight. Could be related to weight loss and better health in general.
Note that for the most part of my dieting history, I was also eating
"complex carbs", although not as much as you.


How long have you bean on the diet out of interest? How much carbs do I eat?

If your being serious, I urge you to reconsider what your doing to
yourself.
If your not seriously doing this then consider what effect your post
could
have on inexperienced dieters.

You know, what Proud2LoveCats is doing is not something I would do
myself, but she is making it pretty clear that it is a personal
experiment and not a recommendation to others.

I had doubts about her intentions because it sounded fairly extreme and
against a lot of what I've come to know about being healthy, I'm not that
good on the science, but I produce the results. I retract my statement
about the effect her post could have on others, it was based on the
assumption that she was just attention grabbing. She is not responsible for
how other react to her post, the readers are responsible for their own
actions.

Regards,

Nick.