Coeliac disease more common than thought

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In article , Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article , Ignoramus23984
wrote:

A paleo diet fully addresses gluten intolerance by giving up grains.

Accidentally, after switching to a "paleo diet", my knee problems
somewhat abated. My knees used to hurt after running, now it is so to
much lesser extent. I am not sure whether it is a mere coincidence or
not.


Wrong Ig. It is not just gluten but disaccharide starch that is the
culprit.

Diva, I said that paleo diet addresses gluten intolerance. If celiac
disease involves other intolerances, that is interesting, but does not
invalidate what I said regarding gluten intolerance and paleo.

That said... Paleo diet is also a no starch diet, it does not allow
vegetables that are not edible in raw form.

It's found in a number of root vegetables.Soy, rice and corn
are also irritants as are seaweeds and algae. Read the book I suggested
by the scientist who has researched this for 47 years. Mature cheese
aged over 30 days (exceptions are Ricotta and Mozzarella) and homemade
yogurt incubated for 24 hours gets rid of harmful lactose abd fosters
proliferation of gut friendly bacteria.


Thanks Diva, I will check that book out, if it is available cheaply
enough, I will buy it.

i

The low starch diet that I read suggested three levels of starch removal for
those with IBS. In the first group is the gluten bearing grains, wheat, rye
etc but also corn. In the second it has rice and potatoes in the third, it
gets down to other root veges etc. Banana's are apparently high in starch
and because they are not tree ripened in most countries this makes them
higher in starch.
So this book is about IBS but because it is also gluten free, and because we
all know that too much starch for the less active is fattening and it has
lots of nice recipes it is a worthwhile book. For those who do not respond
to a gluten free diet but still have symptoms it is possible that they also
have IBS and the book could be helpful to them.

Well ripened bananas are fine as the harmful sugar has been denatured.
I could quote chapter and verse but anyone interested would do well to
get the book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall. Paleo
has similarities but is not the same.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

(Roman Bystrianyk) wrote in message . com...
http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=250

Roman Bystrianyk, "Coeliac disease more common than thought", Health
Sentinel, September 19, 2004,

Coeliac disease is a lifelong intolerance to gluten. One of the
primary sources of gluten is found in wheat-based products such as
bread and pasta. A recent study published in the Archives of Disease
in Childhood examines the prevalence of this disease.

Untreated coeliac disease can result in malabsorption, vitamin
deficiencies, anemia [abnormally low number of red blood cells], and
osteoporosis. It's important to resolve this condition as, "dietary
avoidance of gluten results in a complete remission of the disease and
prevents two major complications ? malignancy and osteoporosis ? as
well as decreasing mortality in CD [cardiovascular disease] patients."

Data from a number of studies indicate that coeliac disease may be far
more common than previously thought. This study of healtcare students
showed a high prevalence of unrecognized coeliac disease in at least 1
out of 166 students. "This is 15-40 times higher than the estimate
described in the current standard UK paediatric textbook."

SOURCE: Archives of Disease in Childhood, September 2004, Vol. 89



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http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=250

Roman Bystrianyk, "Coeliac disease more common than thought", Health
Sentinel, September 19, 2004,

Coeliac disease is a lifelong intolerance to gluten. One of the
primary sources of gluten is found in wheat-based products such as
bread and pasta. A recent study published in the Archives of Disease
in Childhood examineds the prevalence of this disease.

Untreated coeliac disease can result in malabsorption, vitamin
deficiencies, anemia [abnormally low number of red blood cells], and
osteoporosis. It's important to resolve this condition as, "dietary
avoidance of gluten results in a complete remission of the disease and
prevents two major complications ? malignancy and osteoporosis ? as
well as decreasing mortality in CD [cardiovascular disease] patients."

Data from a number of studies indicate that coeliac disease may be far
more common than previously thought. This study of healtcare students
showed a high prevalence of unrecognized coeliac disease in at least 1
out of 166 students. "This is 15-40 times higher than the estimate
described in the current standard UK paediatric textbook."

SOURCE: Archives of Disease in Childhood, September 2004, Vol. 89



we have information about the Coeliac disease and a nice series of
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Herbal remedies do not addresss celiac and neither does simply
eliminating Gluten without discarding disaccharide carbohydrates,
sugars, yeast, syrups,soy, corn, certain root vegetables, specified
dairy products such as unripened cheese (exception is dry curd cottage
cheese) and rice as well as grains.

see;

www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

They sell a book, it's true but it is also in public libraries

Please don't spam this group with your soap and supplements.

--
Carol F.
******
Celiac Adult on Specific carbohydrate Diet 4 years
There is no substitute for the right food

Let's stick to the science, shall we? The only thing a Celiac needs to
eliminate from his/her diet in order to control their disease is gluten.
Everything else is either a lifestyle choice or due to some other condition
they have. Carbs, yeast, etc have nothing to do with celiac. If you wish to
go on believing otherwise, that is your business, but don't post it as some
truth. It's not.

Dave


"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article ,
petergabreil wrote:

(Roman Bystrianyk) wrote in message
. com...

http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=250

Roman Bystrianyk, "Coeliac disease more common than thought", Health
Sentinel, September 19, 2004,

Coeliac disease is a lifelong intolerance to gluten. One of the
primary sources of gluten is found in wheat-based products such as
bread and pasta. A recent study published in the Archives of Disease
in Childhood examineds the prevalence of this disease.

Untreated coeliac disease can result in malabsorption, vitamin
deficiencies, anemia [abnormally low number of red blood cells], and
osteoporosis. It's important to resolve this condition as, "dietary
avoidance of gluten results in a complete remission of the disease and
prevents two major complications ? malignancy and osteoporosis ? as
well as decreasing mortality in CD [cardiovascular disease] patients."

Data from a number of studies indicate that coeliac disease may be far
more common than previously thought. This study of healtcare students
showed a high prevalence of unrecognized coeliac disease in at least 1
out of 166 students. "This is 15-40 times higher than the estimate
described in the current standard UK paediatric textbook."

SOURCE: Archives of Disease in Childhood, September 2004, Vol. 89



we have information about the Coeliac disease and a nice series of
article for public awarness please log on to

snipped

Herbal remedies do not addresss celiac and neither does simply
eliminating Gluten without discarding disaccharide carbohydrates,
sugars, yeast, syrups,soy, corn, certain root vegetables, specified
dairy products such as unripened cheese (exception is dry curd cottage
cheese) and rice as well as grains.

see;

www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

They sell a book, it's true but it is also in public libraries

Please don't spam this group with your soap and supplements.

--
Carol F.
******
Celiac Adult on Specific carbohydrate Diet 4 years
There is no substitute for the right food

In article _%16d.57527$t61.17442@clgrps13, Beth
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
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Herbal remedies do not addresss celiac and neither does simply
eliminating Gluten without discarding disaccharide carbohydrates,
sugars, yeast, syrups,soy, corn, certain root vegetables, specified
dairy products such as unripened cheese (exception is dry curd
cottage
cheese) and rice as well as grains.

This is faddism. It's jumping on the "carbohydrates are evil"
bandwagon. Gluten is the specific reactor in celiac.

If you want to severely limit your diet it's your choice, but don't
try to spread it as gospel.

Beth


Cross posted because of relevance:

Beth,

Articles on the SCD diet have just appeared in two medical journals and
you can't deny science and have not read the book about the way damaged
microvilli in the intestine cannot process disacharride carbohydrates
which cause the proliferation of bacterial overgrowth ( whereas
mono-saccharides are directly absorbed into the bloodstream making the
nutrients available)

No diet protocol will be suitable for everyone, but to refute science
in such a rude way is unacceptable. I have worked with groups following
the SCD diet for several years and seen amazing results. The science is
hardly faddism since it is fifty years old.

Not everyone has digestive malabsorption but celiacs do. I suggest you
read the book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" or at least the chapter on
Celiac Disease before making opinionated accusations without citing a
scientific basis or having an open mind.

I don't wish to dialogue with you further on this topic until you are
more conversant with it.

Some Crohns' and Colitis associations, dieticians and nutritionists and
health professionals in the autism community are inviting the author
Elaine Gottschall to speak on her protocols.

She is no faddist she is a competant scientist with appropriate
accreditation.

She has a series of electron microsope slides which have superior
magnification, that show the clouded biofilm in which hostile
organisms thrive. This biofilm shrouds the damaged digestive system.

I cannot imagine your agenda or affiliation that would cause you to
consider valid science of being a fad.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article _%16d.57527$t61.17442@clgrps13, Beth
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
snip


Herbal remedies do not addresss celiac and neither does simply
eliminating Gluten without discarding disaccharide carbohydrates,
sugars, yeast, syrups,soy, corn, certain root vegetables,
specified
dairy products such as unripened cheese (exception is dry curd
cottage
cheese) and rice as well as grains.

This is faddism. It's jumping on the "carbohydrates are evil"
bandwagon. Gluten is the specific reactor in celiac.

If you want to severely limit your diet it's your choice, but don't
try to spread it as gospel.

Beth


Cross posted because of relevance:

Beth,

Articles on the SCD diet have just appeared in two medical journals
and
you can't deny science and have not read the book about the way
damaged
microvilli in the intestine cannot process disacharride
carbohydrates
which cause the proliferation of bacterial overgrowth ( whereas
mono-saccharides are directly absorbed into the bloodstream making
the
nutrients available)

No diet protocol will be suitable for everyone, but to refute
science
in such a rude way is unacceptable. I have worked with groups
following
the SCD diet for several years and seen amazing results. The science
is
hardly faddism since it is fifty years old.

Not everyone has digestive malabsorption but celiacs do. I suggest
you
read the book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" or at least the chapter
on
Celiac Disease before making opinionated accusations without citing
a
scientific basis or having an open mind.

I don't wish to dialogue with you further on this topic until you
are
more conversant with it.

Some Crohns' and Colitis associations, dieticians and nutritionists
and
health professionals in the autism community are inviting the author
Elaine Gottschall to speak on her protocols.

She is no faddist she is a competant scientist with appropriate
accreditation.

She has a series of electron microsope slides which have superior
magnification, that show the clouded biofilm in which hostile
organisms thrive. This biofilm shrouds the damaged digestive system.

I cannot imagine your agenda or affiliation that would cause you to
consider valid science of being a fad.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

I have a degree is in Foods and Nutrition so I can speak to it. You
also presume I don't know this theory already. Don't presume I don't
know what I'm talking about because you don't like the tone of my
answer.

You asked to be flamed by quoting her theory as gospel - your link
between this and celiac is not accepted science and could be
misleading to others on this group. And it is theory, dear, not fact,
unless the results it has been reproduced by a good number of other
groups, and for the specific disorder being spoken to. It's more
complicated than this, but not going to quote chapter and verse any
more than I did a detailed response the first time. Having an open
mind doesn't mean accepting everything out there.

You don't decrease asking to be flamed in this post by being trying to
be condensing either. This is my last post of this, I don't like
flaming on this group, and you irritate me too much to get out of that
mode.

Beth

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article _%16d.57527$t61.17442@clgrps13, Beth
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
snip


Herbal remedies do not addresss celiac and neither does simply
eliminating Gluten without discarding disaccharide carbohydrates,
sugars, yeast, syrups,soy, corn, certain root vegetables,
specified
dairy products such as unripened cheese (exception is dry curd
cottage
cheese) and rice as well as grains.

This is faddism. It's jumping on the "carbohydrates are evil"
bandwagon. Gluten is the specific reactor in celiac.

If you want to severely limit your diet it's your choice, but don't
try to spread it as gospel.

Beth


Cross posted because of relevance:

Beth,

Articles on the SCD diet have just appeared in two medical journals
and
you can't deny science and have not read the book about the way
damaged
microvilli in the intestine cannot process disacharride
carbohydrates
which cause the proliferation of bacterial overgrowth ( whereas
mono-saccharides are directly absorbed into the bloodstream making
the
nutrients available)

No diet protocol will be suitable for everyone, but to refute
science
in such a rude way is unacceptable. I have worked with groups
following
the SCD diet for several years and seen amazing results. The science
is
hardly faddism since it is fifty years old.

Not everyone has digestive malabsorption but celiacs do. I suggest
you
read the book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" or at least the chapter
on
Celiac Disease before making opinionated accusations without citing
a
scientific basis or having an open mind.

I don't wish to dialogue with you further on this topic until you
are
more conversant with it.

Some Crohns' and Colitis associations, dieticians and nutritionists
and
health professionals in the autism community are inviting the author
Elaine Gottschall to speak on her protocols.

She is no faddist she is a competant scientist with appropriate
accreditation.

She has a series of electron microsope slides which have superior
magnification, that show the clouded biofilm in which hostile
organisms thrive. This biofilm shrouds the damaged digestive system.

I cannot imagine your agenda or affiliation that would cause you to
consider valid science of being a fad.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

I have a degree is in Foods and Nutrition so I can speak to it. You
also presume I don't know this theory already. Don't presume I don't
know what I'm talking about because you don't like the tone of my
answer.

You asked to be flamed by quoting her theory as gospel - your link
between this and celiac is not accepted science and could be
misleading to others on this group. And it is theory, dear, not fact,
unless the results it has been reproduced by a good number of other
groups, and for the specific disorder being spoken to. It's more
complicated than this, but not going to quote chapter and verse any
more than I did a detailed response the first time. Having an open
mind doesn't mean accepting everything out there.

You don't decrease asking to be flamed in this post by being trying to
be condensing either. This is my last post of this, I don't like
flaming on this group, and you irritate me too much to get out of that
mode.

Beth

Originally Posted by Carol Frilegh

In article , annemarie
wrote:

"Ignoramus23984" lid wrote in message
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In article , Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article , Ignoramus23984
lid wrote:

A paleo diet fully addresses gluten intolerance by giving up grains.

Accidentally, after switching to a "paleo diet", my knee problems
somewhat abated. My knees used to hurt after running, now it is so to
much lesser extent. I am not sure whether it is a mere coincidence or
not.


Wrong Ig. It is not just gluten but disaccharide starch that is the
culprit.

Diva, I said that paleo diet addresses gluten intolerance. If celiac
disease involves other intolerances, that is interesting, but does not
invalidate what I said regarding gluten intolerance and paleo.

That said... Paleo diet is also a no starch diet, it does not allow
vegetables that are not edible in raw form.

It's found in a number of root vegetables.Soy, rice and corn
are also irritants as are seaweeds and algae. Read the book I suggested
by the scientist who has researched this for 47 years. Mature cheese
aged over 30 days (exceptions are Ricotta and Mozzarella) and homemade
yogurt incubated for 24 hours gets rid of harmful lactose abd fosters
proliferation of gut friendly bacteria.


Thanks Diva, I will check that book out, if it is available cheaply
enough, I will buy it.

i

The low starch diet that I read suggested three levels of starch removal for
those with IBS. In the first group is the gluten bearing grains, wheat, rye
etc but also corn. In the second it has rice and potatoes in the third, it
gets down to other root veges etc. Banana's are apparently high in starch
and because they are not tree ripened in most countries this makes them
higher in starch.
So this book is about IBS but because it is also gluten free, and because we
all know that too much starch for the less active is fattening and it has
lots of nice recipes it is a worthwhile book. For those who do not respond
to a gluten free diet but still have symptoms it is possible that they also
have IBS and the book could be helpful to them.

Well ripened bananas are fine as the harmful sugar has been denatured.
I could quote chapter and verse but anyone interested would do well to
get the book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall. Paleo
has similarities but is not the same.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

(I say - behind every good man is a woman!) Anyway, I was recently diagnosed with wheat intolerance (which is different than wheat allergy).
Eating pizza, or bagels, etc. would make me so bloated and eating just a handrul of whole wheat crackers would send me running to the bathroom.
I have been experimenting with various recipes and creating a few myself.
I was recently told to buy Janie Quinn's Essential Eating book and that there are a lot of wheat free recipes in that - I'm going to look into that.
I do know that since I have been cutting out wheat from my diet - that I feel so much better....There are still a few other things that bother like chocolate (some has wheat in it - some just bothers and some doesn't??)
It is hard to eat out - like when you are out shopping but keep track of the
kinds of things you CAN eat and then go from there - don't keep saying Oh, I can't eat this and I can't eat that - start studying recipes and say "What can I substitute for this or that. And if your spouse feels left out - get him his own food and label it with his name on it and put your name on your food - that way the spouse won't feel deprived. I try not to let my spouse eat too much of my wheat free food (only because it is so much more expensive) - not because I don't want him to be healthy - but he doesn't have the same problem that I do......I found a few recipes on line also.
And, another thing - just because you are wheat intolerant - it doesn't necessarily mean that you are gluten intolerant....But, if you need to cut out all grains there is another book that I will recommend that is called Going Against The Grain. - Very Good! Get your all natural health food store to help you out - ask questions!!! LP (I also feel that I'm in a better mood - not so depressed)

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Carol Frilegh Wrote:
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annemarie
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Thanks Diva, I will check that book out, if it is available cheaply
enough, I will buy it.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i...k/the_book.htm

Starts at $17.95 used. I have no $$ interest and am not spamming.