Reader's Digest & Low Carb

Aramanth Dawe

writes:

They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right
now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice,
rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain breads,
apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this is still a
big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and I will have to
avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not going to be true
for all low-carbers.

True. In maintenance, I'm eating about 90-100 carbs per day, about 110 in the
48 hours before a big hike (6+ miles). From your list, I'm still avoiding the
whole grain breads, oranges, and grapes, and will only have black beans when
I'm looking for extra pre-hike carbs. So I think it depends on the
individual's carb levels and how they react to certain things.

By the way, I once volunteered at a zoo, helping the keepers prepare food for
certain animals. Grapes were given out sparingly, because the animals loved
them but the zoo nutritionists viewed them as junk food. I remember during
orientation, one of the keepers held up a grape and said "this is like a bag of
Doritos to them." And what were we doing? We were giving grapes that day to
some exotic porcupines from South America that had had a rough time adjusting
to a new enclosure (even though it was gigantic, about 6 times larger than the
animals' previous one, and full of nifty hiding places, climbing "furniture",
live plants from their native environment, etc.). So we were comforting them
with "bad" food, a purely human notion. Anyway, that was years ago, and I
still think of grapes as junk food. The fact that of all the wide range of
fruits we fed the various animals, grapes were singled out as being less than
desirable has really stuck with me.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in
dark grapes.

In article ,
am says...

Aramanth Dawe

writes:

They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right
now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice,
rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain breads,
apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this is still a
big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and I will have to
avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not going to be true
for all low-carbers.

True. In maintenance, I'm eating about 90-100 carbs per day, about 110 in
the
48 hours before a big hike (6+ miles). From your list, I'm still avoiding the
whole grain breads, oranges, and grapes, and will only have black beans
when
I'm looking for extra pre-hike carbs. So I think it depends on the
individual's carb levels and how they react to certain things.

By the way, I once volunteered at a zoo, helping the keepers prepare food
for
certain animals. Grapes were given out sparingly, because the animals
loved
them but the zoo nutritionists viewed them as junk food. I remember during
orientation, one of the keepers held up a grape and said "this is like a bag of
Doritos to them." And what were we doing? We were giving grapes that day
to
some exotic porcupines from South America that had had a rough time
adjusting
to a new enclosure (even though it was gigantic, about 6 times larger than
the
animals' previous one, and full of nifty hiding places, climbing "furniture",
live plants from their native environment, etc.). So we were comforting them
with "bad" food, a purely human notion. Anyway, that was years ago, and I
still think of grapes as junk food. The fact that of all the wide range of
fruits we fed the various animals, grapes were singled out as being less
than
desirable has really stuck with me.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in
dark grapes.

In article ,
am says...

Aramanth Dawe

writes:

They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right
now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice,
rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain breads,
apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this is still a
big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and I will have to
avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not going to be true
for all low-carbers.

True. In maintenance, I'm eating about 90-100 carbs per day, about 110 in
the
48 hours before a big hike (6+ miles). From your list, I'm still avoiding the
whole grain breads, oranges, and grapes, and will only have black beans
when
I'm looking for extra pre-hike carbs. So I think it depends on the
individual's carb levels and how they react to certain things.

By the way, I once volunteered at a zoo, helping the keepers prepare food
for
certain animals. Grapes were given out sparingly, because the animals
loved
them but the zoo nutritionists viewed them as junk food. I remember during
orientation, one of the keepers held up a grape and said "this is like a bag of
Doritos to them." And what were we doing? We were giving grapes that day
to
some exotic porcupines from South America that had had a rough time
adjusting
to a new enclosure (even though it was gigantic, about 6 times larger than
the
animals' previous one, and full of nifty hiding places, climbing "furniture",
live plants from their native environment, etc.). So we were comforting them
with "bad" food, a purely human notion. Anyway, that was years ago, and I
still think of grapes as junk food. The fact that of all the wide range of
fruits we fed the various animals, grapes were singled out as being less
than
desirable has really stuck with me.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

(Armand)

writes:

What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed
in
dark grapes.

This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals
and my subsequent decision not to have them myself.

The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm
not privy to their research.

As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote
about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

(Armand)

writes:

What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed
in
dark grapes.

This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals
and my subsequent decision not to have them myself.

The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm
not privy to their research.

As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote
about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

(Armand)

writes:

What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed
in
dark grapes.

This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals
and my subsequent decision not to have them myself.

The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm
not privy to their research.

As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote
about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

Armand wrote:
What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in
dark grapes.

Some kinds of grapes have twice that, especially seedless.

Per Netzer:
fresh American type (slipskin), Concord, Delaware, Niagara, etc.:
15.8g/cup

fresh European type (adherent skin), Malaga, muscat, Thompson
seedless, etc.: 28.4g/cup

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Armand wrote:
What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in
dark grapes.

Some kinds of grapes have twice that, especially seedless.

Per Netzer:
fresh American type (slipskin), Concord, Delaware, Niagara, etc.:
15.8g/cup

fresh European type (adherent skin), Malaga, muscat, Thompson
seedless, etc.: 28.4g/cup

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

PlacidBull wrote:
:: I read somewhere that protein is converted to glucose at a 58%
:: effectivity level versus the 100% level of carbohydrates.
::
:: The moral of the story being, I am guessing, that although you can
:: eat "liberal" amounts of meat, be aware that 58% if it is converted
:: to glucose.

58% of the protein in the meat.....and 10% of the fat in the meat..... will
be converted to glucose.

::
:: Placid
::
:: "Aramanth Dawe" wrote in message
:: ...
::: One thing I found VERY interesting in the article was where they
::: acknowledged that glucose can be created from sources other than
::: sugars and starches. They said
:::
::: "You may think that skimping on carbs will cut off your supply of
::: blood glucose, but your body can extract glucose not only from carbs
::: but through fat metabolim and even from dietary protein"
:::
::: They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right
::: now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice,
::: rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain
::: breads, apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this
::: is still a big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and
::: I will have to avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not
::: going to be true for all low-carbers.
:::
::: Aramanth

PlacidBull wrote:
:: I read somewhere that protein is converted to glucose at a 58%
:: effectivity level versus the 100% level of carbohydrates.
::
:: The moral of the story being, I am guessing, that although you can
:: eat "liberal" amounts of meat, be aware that 58% if it is converted
:: to glucose.

58% of the protein in the meat.....and 10% of the fat in the meat..... will
be converted to glucose.

::
:: Placid
::
:: "Aramanth Dawe" wrote in message
:: ...
::: One thing I found VERY interesting in the article was where they
::: acknowledged that glucose can be created from sources other than
::: sugars and starches. They said
:::
::: "You may think that skimping on carbs will cut off your supply of
::: blood glucose, but your body can extract glucose not only from carbs
::: but through fat metabolim and even from dietary protein"
:::
::: They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right
::: now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice,
::: rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain
::: breads, apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this
::: is still a big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and
::: I will have to avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not
::: going to be true for all low-carbers.
:::
::: Aramanth