Funny!

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
Once again: I never suggested giving up coffee. I suggested not making
coffee a 100-200 calorie per day thing.

Yeah, but you came out swinging to a question of "Any suggestions?" (which
in context was meant to have an implied "about where to look for serving
size info from DD") with "Yeah: ditch the milk and sugar.". I never
thought you wanted me to ditch the coffee but it sounded like you thought
the options were black coffee or no weight loss. Only later do you bring
up your love of half and half... I admit that change in your suggestion
didn't quite register with me, and a week later, you're actually sounding
reasonable and concilatory... ("I don't know what it needs - it's your
coffee! But would it hurt to experiment?") I'm sure you have no patience
for being like that more often, but this group might have more light and
less heat.

Except of course, keep it up against the F'in spammers.

having for 50 or 60 is going to be a necessity. And if a person can't
make the small changes, they're not going to have much luck with the big
ones.

I disagree. I've made the big changes (calorie counting and control and an
exercise routine) and I find them much easier since I'm keeping in some
little luxuries.

At any rate, it's not "can't" for the small change, it's "has elected not
to".

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Kirk Is wrote:

At any rate, it's not "can't" for the small change, it's "has elected not
to".

Which is why you aren't a FFID anymore. Because you understand the
distinction.

Our work here is done. ;-)

Dally

Kirk Is wrote:


But I have reason to think that there's another workable approach that
says "if things are going to be sustainable, if they're going to be a
permanent part of my WOL/WOE, they should be as inobtrusive as possible,
or else I'm going to be unhappy and drop it". Rather than a slippery
slope, this approach is more concerned about a sudden cliffdrop.

For what it's worth, this is the approach I've taken to my weight
loss. I love food that I know isn't so good for me. If I had to look
at a lifetime of never eating fried chicken, barbecued ribs, or french
fries again I know that I would get disheartened and just say "to hell
with this". I eat an occasional candy bar. I drink apple martinis. I
eat potato chips and cheetos.

But... I also eat much smaller portions of food than I used to on a
daily basis. I eat alot more food that is good for me than I used to,
and now rarely have the junk. Sure, I really enjoy it when I do, but
it's not a daily way of life eating for me anymore. I know that I can
eat the way I am eating now for the rest of my life and not feel overly
deprived. I might not be losing weight as fast as someone who is
maintaining a more rigid way of eating, but that's okay. I would much
rather keep it off forever than lose it quicker and then regain.

So yeah, I might have some bad food habits that I have no intentions
of quitting. Does this make me a FFID? Perhaps, I suppose. But I am
less of a Fat **** than I used to be, and still losing. I can live with
that. Forever.

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As of 06-30-06: 258/189.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4.

68.5 pounds lost. 49.5 left to go. Started February/07/05

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Kirk Is wrote:
The Historian wrote:
I still think her coffee thread with Kirk was pretty silly, however.

...he reads, glancing over at the fragmented icy remnants of his large
iced coffee w/ skim milk, rolls his eyes and grins.

--Kirk, 227/212.5/180

Oh goodness, what a thread I spawned! I'm reminded of the Monty Python
sketch about the dirty fork....

Neil
385/309/220

"The Historian" wrote in
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Kirk Is wrote:
The Historian wrote:
I still think her coffee thread with Kirk was pretty silly, however.

...he reads, glancing over at the fragmented icy remnants of his large
iced coffee w/ skim milk, rolls his eyes and grins.

--Kirk, 227/212.5/180

Oh goodness, what a thread I spawned! I'm reminded of the Monty Python
sketch about the dirty fork....

Neil
385/309/220


Neil,

Just don't tell the passengers of the Mayflower 1, en route to the sun,
that "we're out of coffee."



Andy
Airport II (the remake)

Andy q wrote in :

Airport II (the remake)


Airplane II AIRPLAN! Dammit.

Andy q wrote in :

Andy q wrote in :

Airport II (the remake)


Airplane II AIRPLAN! Dammit.


Geez... AIRPLANE II. Shoot the other foot, PLEASE?!!

Andy

Annie Benson Lennaman wrote:

So yeah, I might have some bad food habits that I have no intentions
of quitting. Does this make me a FFID? Perhaps, I suppose. But I am
less of a Fat **** than I used to be, and still losing. I can live with
that. Forever.

I don't think making choices that aren't optimal makes you a FFID.

The term is poignant in that the person is a ****ed by their own denial
of the reality of how to get unfat. It's a sentence of being fat
forever, a sentence of being a victim, ****ed over, because you can't
get a handle on the reality of the situation.

If you want to lose fat then you're going to have to eat less and
exercise more. Period. Any sentence that beings with, "that won't work
for me because..." means you're a FFID. Any sentence that starts with,
"It's not my fault because..." means you're a FFID.

Strangely, I don't mind the people who start out with, "It's too
hard..." To them I say, "fine, make your peace with being fat. It has
its benefits. Embrace them and stop whining about wanting to be slender
because you DON'T want to be slender. You want to be fat. So be fat."
Then I flee them as fast as possible (and send them over to
soc.support.fat-acceptance. Or perhas to FatHappens.)

Dally

Dally wrote:
Annie Benson Lennaman wrote:

So yeah, I might have some bad food habits that I have no intentions
of quitting. Does this make me a FFID? Perhaps, I suppose. But I am
less of a Fat **** than I used to be, and still losing. I can live with
that. Forever.

I don't think making choices that aren't optimal makes you a FFID.

The term is poignant in that the person is a ****ed by their own denial
of the reality of how to get unfat. It's a sentence of being fat
forever, a sentence of being a victim, ****ed over, because you can't
get a handle on the reality of the situation.

Agreed. It's wanting to lose weight only as long as you don't have to
give up any of the lifestyle that made you fat.

If you want to lose fat then you're going to have to eat less and
exercise more. Period. Any sentence that beings with, "that won't work
for me because..." means you're a FFID.

Not as you've expressed it. There are real reasons why a person may not
be able to do "that", depending on the person and what "that" is. The
obvious example would be suggesting long walks to a poster in a
wheelchair. Or, mpre personally, my bad knees kept me away from many
lower body exercises when I started.

Any sentence that starts with,
"It's not my fault because..." means you're a FFID.

Agreed. I spent decades there.

Strangely, I don't mind the people who start out with, "It's too
hard..." To them I say, "fine, make your peace with being fat. It has
its benefits. Embrace them and stop whining about wanting to be slender
because you DON'T want to be slender. You want to be fat. So be fat."
Then I flee them as fast as possible (and send them over to
soc.support.fat-acceptance. Or perhas to FatHappens.)

Send them to FatHappens, so they can be coddled by patronizing thin
folks who think fat people are victims of society.

Neil
385/309/220

"The Historian" wrote in
...he reads, glancing over at the fragmented icy remnants of his large
iced coffee w/ skim milk, rolls his eyes and grins.

--Kirk, 227/212.5/180

Oh goodness, what a thread I spawned! I'm reminded of the Monty Python
sketch about the dirty fork....

Honestly I was planning on leaving it there, but ended up not avoiding the
revamp of the argument, sorry.


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