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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Chrono-Z burbled across the ether:
Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt translate into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a maturity issue. Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for your cause. Cause? This group's "cause" is to support those who want to lowcarb. The bashers come here to harrass lowcarbers, lowcarbers don't go out to other groups to bash anybody. I say the bashers who come here get what they give (and deserve). It's not like they're going to actually *listen* to anybody here. These are trolls after all. Now if you want to have a real discussion amongst sensible people (non-trolls) then you'd find Peter quite sensible on the subject although enthusiastic about his personal epiphany. But this is not that kind of thread. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "Dr. Phil is a weenie head!" --Kevin |
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Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:50:31 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:
Very informative post. It's just a generic term to me, i'm not a linguist by any means. I was told by my family and friends repeatedly to go on the diet or I would be diebetic and lose my feet, so I guess that was just the experiance I was going for. I really don't want to argue over a word. Not your fault, I just got tired of seeing the word used incorrectly. I'm no lingust either. (But, boy, do I love http://dictionary.com/ !) Like I said, I really wasn't picking on you. More like a hard slap at someone else who keeps insisting that we're all brainwashed. :-( Sorry you got in the way, Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** |
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Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)
You actually have to own a brain to be able to wash it.
HTH "Chrono-Z" wrote in message om... Very informative post. It's just a generic term to me, i'm not a linguist by any means. I was told by my family and friends repeatedly to go on the diet or I would be diebetic and lose my feet, so I guess that was just the experiance I was going for. I really don't want to argue over a word. "Karen Rodgers" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:09:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote: You know i'm actually starting to agree with you about the brainwashing thing. I was on atkins for 3 months and yes I lost some weight, but it wasn't with out a price. Just 2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room with a morphine iv drip in my arm. Apparently my gallbladder had became mysteriously enflamed. The doctor said my liver and kidney functions were horrid. He said he's seen a couple of people come in with similar problems. He refered me to a dietician who worked with me and helped me form a healthy way of eatting that was loosly based on a diabetic diet that was well rounded and limited calories to a respectable amount. I don't care how much fat or protein keeps me from being hungry. I can deal with being hungry a few weeks until my body gets used to the lower ammount of calories. It beats the hell out of being in the hospital again. (I'm not picking on you, sorry.) Ah, no, if you'd been brainwashed, you'd continue Aktins, even though, clearly, it isn't for you. Atkins isn't a miracle diet, there isn't any one diet that's good for absolutely everyone. I wish you a lot of luck, and good health with your diet. But instead of just throwing words like "brainwashing" around willy nilly, like the OP on that other thread ("Atkins quackery, proof," or whatever it was) did, let's be very clear about its meaning. Here's the American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word "brainwashing." brain·wash·ing, n. 1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs. 2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. And from CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary, brainwashing psychology Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture. (17 Dec 1997) On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB Going by these definitions, there is no true brainwashing associated with low carb diets, Atkins included. American Heritage definition #1, "Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs." No one indoctrinated me forcibly, or otherwise, all I did was read the Atkins book (and since, other books on the subject), follow it with further research, and be swayed by hard data. This is indoctrination? Since when? American Heritage definition #2. "The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation." I've never seen buckets of ads on tv for the Atkins diet, nor commercials on the radio touting it (just ads that advertise low carb friendly eating, not the same as saying "Go on ____ diet." However it is saying "Buy stuff to go along with ____ diet"). I get more advertising persuasion about what car to drive than I get for the Atkins diet. So far car ads haven't swayed me to go out and buy every car I see. So persuasion by advertising is out. That leaves repeated suggestion, nope, that's not applicable either, no one said "Go on Atkins." to me over and over again, if anything, the opposite is true. Moving on to the Cancerweb On-line Medical Dictionary definition, "Inducing an individual to modify attitudes and actions in certain directions through the application of various forms of psychological pressure or torture." I wasn't tortured, nor suffered various forms of psychological pressure to be swayed to switch to a low carb diet. I'd make a good bet that most everyone else here wasn't either. I should also add that I started low carbing when low carbing wasn't cool (went off, my bad, and restarted seriously again last year). My own empircal data, weight loss, lower blood pressure, lower cholestrol (189, thank you very much), and bloodwork all tell my doctor and I, that I'm on the right track. Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
I agree Peter is knowledgable on the subject of low-carbing. I never said
otherwise. But telling people they will die if they do not choose to live a low-carb lifestyle is just ignorant. "revek" wrote in message ... Chrono-Z burbled across the ether: Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt translate into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a maturity issue. Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for your cause. Cause? This group's "cause" is to support those who want to lowcarb. The bashers come here to harrass lowcarbers, lowcarbers don't go out to other groups to bash anybody. I say the bashers who come here get what they give (and deserve). It's not like they're going to actually *listen* to anybody here. These are trolls after all. Now if you want to have a real discussion amongst sensible people (non-trolls) then you'd find Peter quite sensible on the subject although enthusiastic about his personal epiphany. But this is not that kind of thread. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "Dr. Phil is a weenie head!" --Kevin |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Chrono-Z burbled across the ether:
I agree Peter is knowledgable on the subject of low-carbing. I never said otherwise. But telling people they will die if they do not choose to live a low-carb lifestyle is just ignorant. Maybe if I rephrase: Telling a TROLL that he should go ahead and eat himself to death, is not the same as saying it to PEOPLE. Saying that to PEOPLE would be ignorant, and cruel besides, and Peter tries hard to be a good man and wouldn't do that intentionally. TROLLS on the other hand are fair game. TROLLS reject their membership in the human race made up of PEOPLE by their deliberate and nasty behavior. This is a TROLL thread. Ergo, anything said in it is aimed at the TROLL, not PEOPLE. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please It has been said that education would not be necessary if things were as they seem. But perhaps things are as they seem only if one knows how to look. -- [unattributed] |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was just
looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling someone else to do it or die. That's all, no need to turn it into something else. "revek" wrote in message ... Chrono-Z burbled across the ether: I agree Peter is knowledgable on the subject of low-carbing. I never said otherwise. But telling people they will die if they do not choose to live a low-carb lifestyle is just ignorant. Maybe if I rephrase: Telling a TROLL that he should go ahead and eat himself to death, is not the same as saying it to PEOPLE. Saying that to PEOPLE would be ignorant, and cruel besides, and Peter tries hard to be a good man and wouldn't do that intentionally. TROLLS on the other hand are fair game. TROLLS reject their membership in the human race made up of PEOPLE by their deliberate and nasty behavior. This is a TROLL thread. Ergo, anything said in it is aimed at the TROLL, not PEOPLE. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please It has been said that education would not be necessary if things were as they seem. But perhaps things are as they seem only if one knows how to look. -- [unattributed] |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
Chrono-Z burbled across the ether:
I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was just looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling someone else to do it or die. I'm pretty sure anybody who can find their way here can figure out a troll thread when they see one, and if they can't they will be educated on the subject real quick. Especially if they are reading from a web interface, where they can see all of the thread at once, web boards being better at retaining the entire thread than newsservers, and the added bonus of usually being able to just scroll down the page to read all the messages rather than opening individual posts like a reader does. Now not to say that there aren't some pretty stupid people in the world, but they need to learn to sink or swim just like everybody else on usenet, or find a moderated forum like LowCarb Retreat --which I understand isn't taking new registrations right now but there are others which folks can find much easier than this place. I don't believe we should censor ourselves in fear of what *might* happen or nothing will ever get said because there is nothing that you can say that is *perfectly* safe. Somebody somewhere is going to get the wrong idea no matter what you say. That's all, no need to turn it into something else. What else is there except Pete flamed a troll, and you chastised him for it because it looks bad to non-regulars and it's ignorant, etc? I disagree that we have to be polite, or sensible, or reasonable, or morally superior to trolls, that's all. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please A good pun is its own punishment. |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
"Chrono-Z" wrote in message
om... Promoting low-carb and supporting others doing low-carb doesnt translate into vicious bashing of anything else not low-carb. It's a maturity issue. Bashing things out of ignorance does nothing for your cause. Anyone who comes here to bash low carb diet is a troll, IMHO. There are plenty of other newsgroups supportive of other diets and lifestyles. We are here to help each other, not to convince anyone of anything. -- Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox") |
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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
"revek" wrote in message
... Chrono-Z burbled across the ether: I agree Peter is knowledgable on the subject of low-carbing. I never said otherwise. But telling people they will die if they do not choose to live a low-carb lifestyle is just ignorant. Maybe if I rephrase: Telling a TROLL that he should go ahead and eat himself to death, is not the same as saying it to PEOPLE. Saying that to PEOPLE would be ignorant, and cruel besides, and Peter tries hard to be a good man and wouldn't do that intentionally. TROLLS on the other hand are fair game. TROLLS reject their membership in the human race made up of PEOPLE by their deliberate and nasty behavior. This is a TROLL thread. Ergo, anything said in it is aimed at the TROLL, not PEOPLE. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please It has Bravo, Revek! I agree with you. -- Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox") |
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