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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
Beav wrote on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:46:40
GMT: "Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message ... Beav wrote on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:24:10 GMT: "Julie Bove" wrote in message ... "Pete" wrote in message ... You cannot go hypo without meds. Not true! I certainly have! And more times than I care to remember. Yeah, you may have gone LOW, but you won't go unconscious, you won't need any third party help, and your BG WILL climb back without intervention. This is not true, in my experience. I've encountered Type 0s (i.e. non-diabetics), with hypos four times, and given advice to another T0 on a newsgroup, who'd described what was clearly a hypo. By "hypo" here, I'm talking about a state in which the T0 is incapable of coherent speech or decision making. By contrast, I've never encountered another diabetic like this. But let's not get too far ahead of ourselvces or confused over words. What you're describing is a common enough problem, but it's not a DIABETIC problem, it's more likely to be reactive hypoglycemia or something else which I don't know about. That's not to say a diabetic couldn't HAVE the problem, it's to say the problem isn't necessarily linked to the diabetes itself. Going TRULY hypo .... Is there such a rigorous definition of what a real McCoy hypo is? Well I'd say when you've got to the point where you can't help yourself and need some intervention, but ther IS a clinical definition which I believe (although I could be a bit out) is around 3.5mmol/l. For ME that's not hypo but I have been accused of being hypo by lots of people becasue I can run at 3.5 for hours with no problem. Me neither. I can go a _lot_ lower than that whilst still functioning fine, though I'd be helping myself to my sugar box before getting there. 3.5mmol/l? 63 doodahs per thingymajig?? That's a hypo? You've got to be joking! Perhaps we should agree between ourselves and the rest of the group that a hypo is a state in which you'd be unable to function normally, and barely able to do anything about it. Or something like that. In the days when I had a British driving license, I always used to get irritated at the stupid questions on the renewal forms involving such ill-defined terms as "hypo". Or was it "hypoglycaemic episode"? What the heck's an episode meant to be, especially for somebody who detests Coronation Street and never watches it? .... is the province of those who take BG lowering meds, and if it wasn't, then every man and his dog would be using a BG meter 8 or 10 times a day and walking around with a pocketful of glucose tabs. ... or of those who have several beers at lunch time instead of food, then cycle home from the office at 5:30 in the evening. Well I'm not getting into the booze aspect:-) Me neither. It's too early in the morning. Beav -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: ; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a"). |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
"Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message ... Beav wrote on Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:46:40 But let's not get too far ahead of ourselvces or confused over words. What you're describing is a common enough problem, but it's not a DIABETIC problem, it's more likely to be reactive hypoglycemia or something else which I don't know about. That's not to say a diabetic couldn't HAVE the problem, it's to say the problem isn't necessarily linked to the diabetes itself. Going TRULY hypo .... Is there such a rigorous definition of what a real McCoy hypo is? Well I'd say when you've got to the point where you can't help yourself and need some intervention, but ther IS a clinical definition which I believe (although I could be a bit out) is around 3.5mmol/l. For ME that's not hypo but I have been accused of being hypo by lots of people becasue I can run at 3.5 for hours with no problem. Me neither. I can go a _lot_ lower than that whilst still functioning fine, though I'd be helping myself to my sugar box before getting there. I think the FEELINGS of going hypo are more important than the actual number. Diabetics who haven't been dx'd run high until they are, and then as they come back to near normal levels, they experience REAL hypo symptoms, but if they fetched up at the hozzie with the symptoms, there's no way they'd be "classed" as hypoglycemic. The medico's have a definite number, and if you go below that number, you're hypo whether you feel it or not. I think this has also lead to some people believing they have hypo unawareness. I've even been told that *I* have it because I can still be feeling fine and functioning around the 2.5-3.0 mark. I actually DON'T have unawareness, I can just function at lower than the "clinical" level. A very YMMV thing in my book. 3.5mmol/l? 63 doodahs per thingymajig?? That's a hypo? You've got to be joking! Not at all. I THINK it's that number and it may even be higher. The rule of thumb being "Four is the Floor" doesn't leave us much room to manoeuvre when we're discussing clinical hypo. Perhaps we should agree between ourselves and the rest of the group that a hypo is a state in which you'd be unable to function normally, and barely able to do anything about it. Or something like that. That's how I define a hypo when any non diabetic aske me what one is. It's no use talking "numbers" to most people (diabetics included) so we have to use a description and saying "It's when I feel like **** warmed up" doesn't quite get "that" feeling across:-) In the days when I had a British driving license, I always used to get irritated at the stupid questions on the renewal forms involving such ill-defined terms as "hypo". Or was it "hypoglycaemic episode"? What the heck's an episode meant to be, especially for somebody who detests Coronation Street and never watches it? IIRC, the DVLA (licensing authority) regard a "hypoglycemic episode" as either one where the diabetic needs 3rd party intervention or they have a BG reading below 2.5 Now I don't know ANY diabetic that rings up the DVLA to tell them they fell over on their way tot he fridge for an OJ :-) .... is the province of those who take BG lowering meds, and if it wasn't, then every man and his dog would be using a BG meter 8 or 10 times a day and walking around with a pocketful of glucose tabs. ... or of those who have several beers at lunch time instead of food, then cycle home from the office at 5:30 in the evening. Well I'm not getting into the booze aspect:-) Me neither. It's too early in the morning. It's night here and I'm still sober (as always:-( Beav |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
"ojatt" wrote in message ...
For the past 3 months, she says that my bg control is good. I do wonder if that's good enough. Any comments. Have you mentioned to your physician the episodes you have had while exercising?. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The most reliable online medical diagnosis forum http://www.medicalschool.ws Free online medical diagnosis |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
On 24 Oct 2003 13:51:54 GMT, Ozlover wrote:
While it is quite possible that it was a hypo, it could also have been, as other posters mentioned, low blood pressure. FWIW, years before diagnosis (of DM T2) I had an episode similar to yours, i.e. unconsious on the floor of the bathroom after urinating at some time in the night. At the time, my GP also attributed it to low blood pressure due to 'quickly' standing up and urinating. Contrary to you, I still have the same GP! :-) FWIW, recently I had hypo-like symptoms when my BG and BP was fine. Just to be on the safe side I ate some carbs and 'it' went away. Ain't our bodies fun machines!? :-( Cheers Alan, T2, Oz Off to Oz in eight days! -- Frank Slootweg, T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81-69 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low BP. Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long? All set already or interested in advice? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
Alan wrote:
[deleted] I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low BP. Well, I was never diagnosed with low BP either. My BP has always been 'lowish' and now is 'good' (considering having DM). Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long? Five weeks in a 4WD campervan. Mostly unsealed roads. Roughly Adelaide, Mildura, Broken Hill, Silver City Hwy, Cameron Corner, Innamincka (+ Coongie Lakes), Cordillo Downs Road or Walkers Crossing Track, Birdsville Track, Oodnadatta Track, Dalhousie Springs, Finke Track (+ Chambers Pillar), the Alice, Sandover Hwy, Plenty Hwy, the Alice and then 'race' down the Stuart Hwy back to Adelaide. (Well, you *did* ask! :-)) All set already or interested in advice? All set, with help from the fine people over in rta+n. I vaguely remember seeing a bloke called Alan over there! :-) -- Frank Slootweg, T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81-69 kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
On 24 Oct 2003 13:51:54 GMT, Ozlover wrote:
[Sorry for the late response.] wrote: [24 quoted line(s) supressed] While it is quite possible that it was a hypo, it could also have been, as other posters mentioned, low blood pressure. FWIW, years before diagnosis (of DM T2) I had an episode similar to yours, i.e. unconsious on the floor of the bathroom after urinating at some time in the night. At the time, my GP also attributed it to low blood pressure due to 'quickly' standing up and urinating. Contrary to you, I still have the same GP! :-) This is called Micturition syncope. It happened to me once, unfortunatlly I fell against the bathtub and broke a rib and had some other internal injuries. See: http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticleKey=9308 -- Randy M 234/208/175 Atkins since 7/14/03 |
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How to prevent hypo when playing tennis?
On 24 Oct 2003 14:44:45 GMT, Ozlover wrote:
Alan wrote: [deleted] I note what you say, but one problem I've never had diagnosed was low BP. Well, I was never diagnosed with low BP either. My BP has always been 'lowish' and now is 'good' (considering having DM). Which area of the great South Land are you visiting and for how long? Five weeks in a 4WD campervan. Mostly unsealed roads. Roughly Adelaide, Mildura, Broken Hill, Silver City Hwy, Cameron Corner, Innamincka (+ Coongie Lakes), Cordillo Downs Road or Walkers Crossing Track, Birdsville Track, Oodnadatta Track, Dalhousie Springs, Finke Track (+ Chambers Pillar), the Alice, Sandover Hwy, Plenty Hwy, the Alice and then 'race' down the Stuart Hwy back to Adelaide. (Well, you *did* ask! :-)) All set already or interested in advice? All set, with help from the fine people over in rta+n. I vaguely remember seeing a bloke called Alan over there! :-) Yep, that was me. I got a lot out of the various rec.travels (europe, US, caribbean etc) while planning my world trip, so I gave a little back there. Sorry I didn't remember the monicker. Dropped out a month or two ago; spending too much time in front of a computer. Have a great time. It's starting to warm up down here, particularly where you're going, but I presume you know all the safety tips. Make sure you make the side trip to Silverton for the art galleries near Broken Hill. If you can fit in a deviation to the Gold Coast I'll shout you a drink. It's only a few thousand miles :-) And on that note, make sure you visit the Barossa wineries before you travel too far from Adelaide. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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