NYNY - Fred - Nov 19

Trust me, I know I am very fortunate! We swear our oldest girl was the devil
child - gave us fits during her teen years - to the point we finally told her to
move in with her mom if she didn't like it with us. She is now human and and
absolutely wonderful mother. She often tells us she has no idea how we ever put
up with all the crap she dished out. (it's called being a parent, hon)

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:45:55 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I agree. You are very lucky to have great kids. I'm one of four kids and
we all turned out great, although the three of us older ones were a little
concerned about our youngest brother for awhile, but he's turned out to be a
great parent, brother and husband. I pray that my own child(ren) turn out
as well.
--
Brenda
209/174/150
NYNY goal 160

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
ws.com...
you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Trust me, I know I am very fortunate! We swear our oldest girl was the
devil
child - gave us fits during her teen years - to the point we finally told
her to
move in with her mom if she didn't like it with us. She is now human and
and
absolutely wonderful mother. She often tells us she has no idea how we
ever put
up with all the crap she dished out. (it's called being a parent, hon)

The worst my sister and I (we're 13 months apart) dished out was the
constant bitching about why we couldn't go out with our friends on a school
night later than 8:00 and on a Friday later than 10:00! Other than that we
were good kids
..

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:45:55 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I agree. You are very lucky to have great kids. I'm one of four kids
and
we all turned out great, although the three of us older ones were a
little
concerned about our youngest brother for awhile, but he's turned out to
be a
great parent, brother and husband. I pray that my own child(ren) turn
out
as well.
--
Brenda
209/174/150
NYNY goal 160

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
ws.com...
you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are
close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

I subscribe to my mother's theory on this one, she says all a parent can
really do is give a child the opportunity to turn out right. Where I work
believe me, I see those parents on a daily basis that do NOT offer this
opportunity to their children, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. I always refuse to take credit though, have said that
parenting is
done by the trial and error method. Each kid is a guinea pig for the next
one in
line. G I think much is just each childs own personality that they are
born
with. How else can I explain how differently each of my siblings were -
when
raised in the same household ... or our oldest girl who gave us absolute
fits
growning up.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:00:05 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:57 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

looks like you raised him right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:45:37 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort.
Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the
beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run
to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress
came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately
told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no
beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch.
The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.

I've seen several people reply to this post, sounds like we all have
had
some big
changes in our habits as well as our tastes. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! Son
just
ran out
to Arby's to pick himself up some lunch. As he was leaving I asked
him
why he
didn't ask if I wanted anything. His reply, "I knew what you were
gonna
say".
He's right, he knows me well. g

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:52:25 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:09:08 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I
haven't
had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

Thanks Brenda! I'd like to see the waist measurement a bit smaller -
but
I'm
accepting the fact that this old body is not gonna be what it was in my
teenage
years. I'm comfortable, I'm happy, I feel good. That's what's
important,
right?

Yes, if you're happy and feel good that is what is important. I would
like
to be the same size I was when I was a teenager too, but don't think it's
gonna happen. Our shapes definitely change over the years, don't they?

Ain't that the truth! I now am just a few pounds over what I was when I
got
married - but it is definitely distributed differently.

I'm about 28 lbs less than when I got married. Can't believe I was 202 lbs
when I got married, but I was. I now weigh less than I did when DH and I
first started dating! He still reminds me about highschool when I weighed
135!

I was what I would call chubby in junior high, thin in highschool. Hubby and I
still disagree on my marriage weight ... he says 116, I say 126. Regardless, it
was a normal weight for my body build. First pregnancy put me over the top, and
it was uphill (or downhill?) from there. sigh Hub didn't know me in highschool
- he is 10 years older than me, so really has nothing to remind me of other than
when we met. And it can bite him in the backside ... since he was much smaller
then too. G

I would like to get to 150, then see what happens from there. I have a
feeling that once I am able to get there, I will want to go lower,
perhaps
140ish. I still have 22 lbs before I'm officially at goal, so we'll see.
Right now I'm not gaining/losing anything. Maintaining is good though.
It
gives me good practice for the day that I finally do reach goal.

Maintaining is good. Sometimes our bodies just need a bit of a break,
refuse to
shed anything while they adjust to where they currently are. Then all of
a sudden
they give up the fight and we start moving again. I don't know why, but I
remember going through the same thing. I do see you picked my 140*ish*
personal
goal. G

Yes, I did pick your 140*ish* personal goal, hope you don't mind. G
My body is refusing to shed anything mostly because I haven't been totally
OP and haven't been drinking enough water. Actually it's weird, I do better
during the day when I'm busy. I have breakfast, lunch, I even have healthy
snacks, either fruit or veggies. It's the evening snacks that get me. If I
could come home, eat supper, then go right to bed I'd do well!! I don't
seem to be as interested as I was in the program back in the spring, but I
think that's because I have so much going on in my life. I still do my best
to make better choices, but I'm hoping that I'll get back into it again
soon.

Don't mind at all, I'm thrilled to pass the *ish* on. g I am just so darned
wishy washy when it comes to making decisions, so the ish worked for me. How did
I know if I was going to be happy at 140, when I didn't know what I would feel or
look like at 150? So ... ish it was! Dinner is more my weak point, is when I can
finally sit down and not have to think about what else I must get done. It's also
when I'm more tired which makes me prone to just give in and take the easy way
out. I find I have to think more about the portions and health aspects when
preparing dinner. I'm sure you'll get back into it soon. You haven't given up or
gone back to old habits. That is a positive approach! Give yourself a bit of a
break for you to recover. Hub had the surgery, his scars show. Unfortunately,
you are the only one who can see your emotional scars, yet those also need to
heal.



This same person sent me an email later that evening telling me what
an
inspiration I was to her because of all I've been through with DH,
running
our business on my own, raising a child, and losing weight too! Go
figure...

That was really sweet of her to send you the email! I do think then
that
her
intentions were very sincere, and she heartfully felt that you looked
great. I
also do agree with her. You have been through a tremendous amount of
stress over
the past months, yet you managed to not let it get the best of you. Go
Brenda!!!

Thanks Joyce. Doing my best here to hold the business and family
together.
Boy, it's been difficult. I'm tired...... I think that's another reason
I'm sort of off program. I can't seem to find the energy or time to put
a
serious effort into the program. I hope that I will again one day soon.

You will Brenda. For now give yourself a break. You deserve to enjoy
some time
relaxing with your family. When you're ready, it will all fall right back
into
place again

I sure hope so. In the meantime I'm trying to make the best food choices I
can, get some exercise, and enjoy my time with DH and Nicholas. The three
of us are going to Vancouver on Monday, DH has a dr. appointment and then we
are going to see about getting Nicholas a kitten! We don't do many family
outings lately, so this will be a fun day.

Sounds like you are taking a wonderfully positive approach at this time - not much
more you can do than that. Enjoy your family! What you have just gone through
proves how short life really can be ... it kind of puts things into a new and
better perspective.

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:58:34 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Trust me, I know I am very fortunate! We swear our oldest girl was the
devil
child - gave us fits during her teen years - to the point we finally told
her to
move in with her mom if she didn't like it with us. She is now human and
and
absolutely wonderful mother. She often tells us she has no idea how we
ever put
up with all the crap she dished out. (it's called being a parent, hon)

The worst my sister and I (we're 13 months apart) dished out was the
constant bitching about why we couldn't go out with our friends on a school
night later than 8:00 and on a Friday later than 10:00! Other than that we
were good kids

LOL! I didn't have that bad of restrictions on me, but one of my friends did. My
brother and I are 18 months apart - I'm older. It irked the heck out of me that
he could stay out til midnight, but I had to be in by 11 (that *because you're a
girl* logic). Last night my daughters friend stopped by to help her make
desserts. By the time they were done it was past curfew, and he was afraid to
drive home but didn't want me to take him. I told him to call home and ask his
mom if he could spend the night (it was safe, he is gay - but the sweetest kid in
the world). Guess his mom is like me ... good kids that still try to do the right
thing, might as well give them a bit of leeway. They tend to make the right
choices when given the opportunity. He was out the door at 7:15 this morning, to
spend the holiday with his family.

Joyce

I like your moms logic Lee - she has hit the nail on the head!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:31:15 GMT, "Miss Violette" wrote:

I subscribe to my mother's theory on this one, she says all a parent can
really do is give a child the opportunity to turn out right. Where I work
believe me, I see those parents on a daily basis that do NOT offer this
opportunity to their children, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. I always refuse to take credit though, have said that
parenting is
done by the trial and error method. Each kid is a guinea pig for the next
one in
line. G I think much is just each childs own personality that they are
born
with. How else can I explain how differently each of my siblings were -
when
raised in the same household ... or our oldest girl who gave us absolute
fits
growning up.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:00:05 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:57 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

looks like you raised him right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:45:37 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort.
Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the
beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run
to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress
came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately
told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no
beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch.
The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.

I've seen several people reply to this post, sounds like we all have
had
some big
changes in our habits as well as our tastes. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! Son
just
ran out
to Arby's to pick himself up some lunch. As he was leaving I asked
him
why he
didn't ask if I wanted anything. His reply, "I knew what you were
gonna
say".
He's right, he knows me well. g

Joyce

I like her logic too Lee. Thanks for posting this.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I like your moms logic Lee - she has hit the nail on the head!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:31:15 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I subscribe to my mother's theory on this one, she says all a parent can
really do is give a child the opportunity to turn out right. Where I
work
believe me, I see those parents on a daily basis that do NOT offer this
opportunity to their children, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. I always refuse to take credit though, have said that
parenting is
done by the trial and error method. Each kid is a guinea pig for the
next
one in
line. G I think much is just each childs own personality that they
are
born
with. How else can I explain how differently each of my siblings
were -
when
raised in the same household ... or our oldest girl who gave us
absolute
fits
growning up.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:00:05 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got
through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are
close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:57 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

looks like you raised him right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:45:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the
same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort.
Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may
be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the
beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch
run
to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the
waitress
came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water,
immediately
told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no
beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch.
The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.

I've seen several people reply to this post, sounds like we all
have
had
some big
changes in our habits as well as our tastes. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD!
Son
just
ran out
to Arby's to pick himself up some lunch. As he was leaving I
asked
him
why he
didn't ask if I wanted anything. His reply, "I knew what you
were
gonna
say".
He's right, he knows me well. g

Joyce

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:52:25 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:09:08 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I
haven't
had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

Thanks Brenda! I'd like to see the waist measurement a bit
smaller -
but
I'm
accepting the fact that this old body is not gonna be what it was in
my
teenage
years. I'm comfortable, I'm happy, I feel good. That's what's
important,
right?

Yes, if you're happy and feel good that is what is important. I would
like
to be the same size I was when I was a teenager too, but don't think
it's
gonna happen. Our shapes definitely change over the years, don't
they?

Ain't that the truth! I now am just a few pounds over what I was when
I
got
married - but it is definitely distributed differently.

I'm about 28 lbs less than when I got married. Can't believe I was 202
lbs
when I got married, but I was. I now weigh less than I did when DH and I
first started dating! He still reminds me about highschool when I
weighed
135!

I was what I would call chubby in junior high, thin in highschool. Hubby
and I
still disagree on my marriage weight ... he says 116, I say 126.
Regardless, it
was a normal weight for my body build. First pregnancy put me over the
top, and
it was uphill (or downhill?) from there. sigh Hub didn't know me in
highschool
- he is 10 years older than me, so really has nothing to remind me of
other than
when we met. And it can bite him in the backside ... since he was much
smaller
then too. G

My husband was a chubby kid back in highschool. My friend and I used to
pick on him, but she picked on him much worse than I did. When I told my
friend she just about fainted, couldn't believe that 20 years later he and I
were together and getting married!


I would like to get to 150, then see what happens from there. I have
a
feeling that once I am able to get there, I will want to go lower,
perhaps
140ish. I still have 22 lbs before I'm officially at goal, so we'll
see.
Right now I'm not gaining/losing anything. Maintaining is good
though.
It
gives me good practice for the day that I finally do reach goal.

Maintaining is good. Sometimes our bodies just need a bit of a break,
refuse to
shed anything while they adjust to where they currently are. Then all
of
a sudden
they give up the fight and we start moving again. I don't know why,
but I
remember going through the same thing. I do see you picked my 140*ish*
personal
goal. G

Yes, I did pick your 140*ish* personal goal, hope you don't mind. G
My body is refusing to shed anything mostly because I haven't been
totally
OP and haven't been drinking enough water. Actually it's weird, I do
better
during the day when I'm busy. I have breakfast, lunch, I even have
healthy
snacks, either fruit or veggies. It's the evening snacks that get me.
If I
could come home, eat supper, then go right to bed I'd do well!! I don't
seem to be as interested as I was in the program back in the spring, but
I
think that's because I have so much going on in my life. I still do my
best
to make better choices, but I'm hoping that I'll get back into it again
soon.

Don't mind at all, I'm thrilled to pass the *ish* on. g I am just so
darned
wishy washy when it comes to making decisions, so the ish worked for me.
How did
I know if I was going to be happy at 140, when I didn't know what I would
feel or
look like at 150? So ... ish it was! Dinner is more my weak point, is
when I can
finally sit down and not have to think about what else I must get done.
It's also
when I'm more tired which makes me prone to just give in and take the easy
way
out. I find I have to think more about the portions and health aspects
when
preparing dinner. I'm sure you'll get back into it soon. You haven't
given up or
gone back to old habits. That is a positive approach! Give yourself a
bit of a
break for you to recover. Hub had the surgery, his scars show.
Unfortunately,
you are the only one who can see your emotional scars, yet those also need
to
heal.

Thanks for the loan of your *ish*. I feel the same way, not sure how I'll
feel about 150 (goal), probably will want to be lower than that eventually.
I hope I get back into it soon, but like you say I haven't totally slipped
back into old habits, so that's a positive note. I guess I do need time to
recover, my emotional scars are not visible, but I think they do show in
some form once in awhile. I have been through ALOT since the summer. DH
definitely has the scars (they're awful), but he's alive which is much more
important!




This same person sent me an email later that evening telling me
what
an
inspiration I was to her because of all I've been through with DH,
running
our business on my own, raising a child, and losing weight too! Go
figure...

That was really sweet of her to send you the email! I do think then
that
her
intentions were very sincere, and she heartfully felt that you
looked
great. I
also do agree with her. You have been through a tremendous amount
of
stress over
the past months, yet you managed to not let it get the best of you.
Go
Brenda!!!

Thanks Joyce. Doing my best here to hold the business and family
together.
Boy, it's been difficult. I'm tired...... I think that's another
reason
I'm sort of off program. I can't seem to find the energy or time to
put
a
serious effort into the program. I hope that I will again one day
soon.

You will Brenda. For now give yourself a break. You deserve to enjoy
some time
relaxing with your family. When you're ready, it will all fall right
back
into
place again

I sure hope so. In the meantime I'm trying to make the best food choices
I
can, get some exercise, and enjoy my time with DH and Nicholas. The
three
of us are going to Vancouver on Monday, DH has a dr. appointment and then
we
are going to see about getting Nicholas a kitten! We don't do many
family
outings lately, so this will be a fun day.

Sounds like you are taking a wonderfully positive approach at this time -
not much
more you can do than that. Enjoy your family! What you have just gone
through
proves how short life really can be ... it kind of puts things into a new
and
better perspective.

I am trying to take a positive approach to many things, difficult as that
can be at times. I still worry constantly, but at least now my worries
aren't so much about DH and I can concentrate a bit more on Nicholas and our
business until DH is back to work. Fortunately for our sakes, he will
hopefully live a long and much healthier life!

Joyce

My mom is a phenomenal human being all-round and can usually distill any
real life concept to about two sentences so you have no hope but understand
her and therefore no excuse for screwing up further, Lee, very thankful for
her parents
Joyce wrote in message
...
I like your moms logic Lee - she has hit the nail on the head!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:31:15 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I subscribe to my mother's theory on this one, she says all a parent can
really do is give a child the opportunity to turn out right. Where I
work
believe me, I see those parents on a daily basis that do NOT offer this
opportunity to their children, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. I always refuse to take credit though, have said that
parenting is
done by the trial and error method. Each kid is a guinea pig for the
next
one in
line. G I think much is just each childs own personality that they
are
born
with. How else can I explain how differently each of my siblings
were -
when
raised in the same household ... or our oldest girl who gave us
absolute
fits
growning up.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:00:05 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got
through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depression
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are
close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:57 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

looks like you raised him right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:45:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the
same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort.
Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may
be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the
beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch
run
to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the
waitress
came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water,
immediately
told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no
beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch.
The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.

I've seen several people reply to this post, sounds like we all
have
had
some big
changes in our habits as well as our tastes. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD!
Son
just
ran out
to Arby's to pick himself up some lunch. As he was leaving I
asked
him
why he
didn't ask if I wanted anything. His reply, "I knew what you
were
gonna
say".
He's right, he knows me well. g

Joyce

she is truthfully a wonderful person, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
I like her logic too Lee. Thanks for posting this.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I like your moms logic Lee - she has hit the nail on the head!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:31:15 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I subscribe to my mother's theory on this one, she says all a parent
can
really do is give a child the opportunity to turn out right. Where I
work
believe me, I see those parents on a daily basis that do NOT offer this
opportunity to their children, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Thanks Lee. I always refuse to take credit though, have said that
parenting is
done by the trial and error method. Each kid is a guinea pig for the
next
one in
line. G I think much is just each childs own personality that they
are
born
with. How else can I explain how differently each of my siblings
were -
when
raised in the same household ... or our oldest girl who gave us
absolute
fits
growning up.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:00:05 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

you should be proud of him and you both, we don't have children so I
always
admire parents who do it right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I sure hope so. He's a good kid, always has been. It could also
be
that
when he
was 9 he had his fathers cancer diagnosis laid on him ... got
through
that
and
then became my *caregiver* when I went through the severe depressi
on
and
anxiety.
He kind of lays all this responsibility on himself. But we are
close,
and
I hope
we stay that way (think we will since he's 19 already).

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:57 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

looks like you raised him right, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:45:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred

wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the
same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort.
Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I
may
be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the
beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch
run
to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the
waitress
came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water,
immediately
told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no
beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for
lunch.
The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.

I've seen several people reply to this post, sounds like we all
have
had
some big
changes in our habits as well as our tastes. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD!
Son
just
ran out
to Arby's to pick himself up some lunch. As he was leaving I
asked
him
why he
didn't ask if I wanted anything. His reply, "I knew what you
were
gonna
say".
He's right, he knows me well. g

Joyce