NYNY - Fred - Nov 19

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:32:26 -0800, Fred wrote:

(had to pause to get my whole grain oatmeal for breakfast - the 1 inch
of snow on the ground was incentive for a hot breakfast!!!)

UGH! I can imagine. I am dreading the upcoming snowy season, so far we have
avoided it - and I hope we continue in the same mode.

I still think there are too many variables to account for ... at least it seems so
for me. Some mornings my body just refuses to cooperate (today was one of those
days) ... refusing to get rid of all excess waste in a timely manor. G Hey,
maybe it's the broccoli? I also had broccoli for dinner last nite (wednesday),
and lots of it. Nice healthy vegetable, but it's still sitting in me somewhere as
I type this in the friday morning wee hours. G

I agree on a logical level. It is the emotional level where those who
have had weight problems get troubled by the up, even minor. I think
that I am adjusting to the mini-fluctuations (see below) - I HOPE SO.

I think you are adjusting well also, anyway it does sound like it from your posts.
You don't seem to be upset, just tackle things as they come your way. That's
really all we can do (I think).

If you want that 155, I don't doubt that you'll get it. Remember how I kept
saying that for some reason 130 was sticking in my head, but the body was refusing
to budge from 135? Somehow when I wasn't looking, the numbers did creep down ...
a very few ounces up and down at a time. Now I'm hovering in THAT zone. I think
our bodies valiantly try to keep us where we are when we are in a healthy zone.

Well, today I was 157 on the home scale and I have not seen that on
quite a while. I have been good the last two nights - really limited
snacking. Just an item or two, not a bunch of different snacks
endlessly.

See? Can I say *told ya so*? LOL It sounds like your scales are behaving
similar to mine ... up, down, up, down ... always hovering near the same mark.
Then all of a sudden a pound or two drop, then hovering in that range for a bit.
I've stopped recording my weight, but if I go back to the ww website graph I can
see that on 9/19 I was 133; 10/10 was 131; 11/21 broke into the new decade with
129 (am not posting fractions here - they were all .4 or .5). So that's what ...
roughly 2 pounds a month with a few ups and downs in between. Depending on how
late at night you are eating those snacks, it could also be playing a game with
the numbers. I know if I munch out late, then weigh in early - my body hasn't had
time to get rid of the stuff (so to speak). Cut it out for a night and weight is
right back to where it should be. Do I really think I *lost* weight overnight?
Nah, not anymore than I thought I had actually put it on. g

But keep those snacks under control. I'll bet if you do that for a week or so,
you'll find the cravings/wants will stop.

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to his favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans, veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a better portion
of the day.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert. Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.

Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities revolve
around the bar. g

Joyce

Generally speaking, I'm not much of a drinker anymore - swear I used it all up in
my youth. g I have found though, that on the rare occassion that I do meet up
with friends and decide to have a drink ... it's very difficult to keep it at one.
The atmosphere is just so danged relaxed and comfortable ... too easy to keep 'em
coming. g

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:46:17 -0800, Fred wrote:

Yes and also the entire social scene - peer or maybe beer pressure (G)

It is the thing to do, I did it, too. And one beer generally leads to
another. Hanging with friends.......

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:57:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have noticed several people at my meeting that got stalled 20 or 30 pounds
away from goal, who tend to resist giving up wine or beer on a Regular basis
(every weekend). They also tend to lose their inhibitions and eat more. I
gave up my occational wine early on because it made me want to eat more, and
used food points that I needed to eat. I wonder?

"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the only thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have probably lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size. Yet my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm feeling a lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill , Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic ..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ... a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

yes you are a very nice size. The height makes a difference too. I fit
very comfortably in a 10

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic ..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ... a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Flax seed meal digests and has calories. Same with the flax oil. The
actual seeds don't digest, but a T is one point. I never have counted it,
have used it during the entire losing phase and now, and never had a
problem.

I get the seeds at a local health food store that has bins. Most any health
food store has it, if they have grain and food products.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
And where can I find whole flaxseed? I have heard others mention this,
have
stayed away from it because of the points others say it holds. Do you
count the
points? I don't have points to spare!!! hehehe

I usually don't have this problem, tend to only have it if my schedule
gets
whacked. If I'm in a rush, don't have time - body seems to forget about
it until
a morning when I do have time. I do think it also isn't helping that this
week I
haven't been drinking my water.

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:01:32 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Joyce. 1 T of flaxseed (whole) followed by a large glass of water. Dump
the little rascals in your mouth, drink the water. Cheap, not unpleasant
once you get into the habit, slippery fiber. NEVER have that problem.
Ever.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I still think there are too many variables to account for ... at least
it
seems so
for me. Some mornings my body just refuses to cooperate (today was one
of
those
days) ... refusing to get rid of all excess waste in a timely manor.
G
Hey,
maybe it's the broccoli? I also had broccoli for dinner last nite
(wednesday),
and lots of it. Nice healthy vegetable, but it's still sitting in me
somewhere as
I type this in the friday morning wee hours. G

If you want that 155, I don't doubt that you'll get it. Remember how I
kept
saying that for some reason 130 was sticking in my head, but the body
was
refusing
to budge from 135? Somehow when I wasn't looking, the numbers did
creep
down ...
a very few ounces up and down at a time. Now I'm hovering in THAT
zone.
I think
our bodies valiantly try to keep us where we are when we are in a
healthy
zone.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:41:16 -0800, Fred
wrote:

NO, it canNOT! (sniff)

I fast until WI!!!! (G)

Hey, up, down,up, down is normal unless you want 155 which maybe it
not acceptable. Because you are right - too much broccoli the night
before and UP.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:03:43 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey, .4 sounds danged good to me! Heck Fred, that could be a few
sips
of
coffee/water in the morning. Definitely another successful week for
you!

Joyce


On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:50:44 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

he he ages, you are So cute

"Fred" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.

You women and figuring out your AGES!!! (gd&r)

So we have our own Warrior Princess.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Beer asks me for peanuts. Can you imagine the calories you can get in with
an evening of THAT?

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Yes and also the entire social scene - peer or maybe beer pressure (G)

It is the thing to do, I did it, too. And one beer generally leads to
another. Hanging with friends.......

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:57:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have noticed several people at my meeting that got stalled 20 or 30
pounds
away from goal, who tend to resist giving up wine or beer on a Regular
basis
(every weekend). They also tend to lose their inhibitions and eat more.
I
gave up my occational wine early on because it made me want to eat more,
and
used food points that I needed to eat. I wonder?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

yeah. And they make me all hungry

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Generally speaking, I'm not much of a drinker anymore - swear I used it
all up in
my youth. g I have found though, that on the rare occassion that I do
meet up
with friends and decide to have a drink ... it's very difficult to keep it
at one.
The atmosphere is just so danged relaxed and comfortable ... too easy to
keep 'em
coming. g

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:46:17 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes and also the entire social scene - peer or maybe beer pressure (G)

It is the thing to do, I did it, too. And one beer generally leads to
another. Hanging with friends.......

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:57:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have noticed several people at my meeting that got stalled 20 or 30
pounds
away from goal, who tend to resist giving up wine or beer on a Regular
basis
(every weekend). They also tend to lose their inhibitions and eat more.
I
gave up my occational wine early on because it made me want to eat more,
and
used food points that I needed to eat. I wonder?

"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to his favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans, veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch. The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.


Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a better portion
of the day.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert. Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.

Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities revolve
around the bar. g

Joyce