NYNY - Fred - Nov 19

Whoops, hit send too fast (G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to his favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans, veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a better portion
of the day.

Maybe or maybe that type of carbo just generate additional urges.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert. Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.


Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

Same here there are just things I have to have.


A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities revolve
around the bar. g

Hard to say. It may just have been time and then again, I'm not sure
I can completely write off a relapse. I want to say never and work on
it daily but ....

Joyce

Points SQUARED and then multiplied again.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:45:05 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Beer asks me for peanuts. Can you imagine the calories you can get in with
an evening of THAT?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Yes and also the entire social scene - peer or maybe beer pressure (G)

It is the thing to do, I did it, too. And one beer generally leads to
another. Hanging with friends.......

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:57:07 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I have noticed several people at my meeting that got stalled 20 or 30
pounds
away from goal, who tend to resist giving up wine or beer on a Regular
basis
(every weekend). They also tend to lose their inhibitions and eat more.
I
gave up my occational wine early on because it made me want to eat more,
and
used food points that I needed to eat. I wonder?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

I am working up to it, want to keep the housecleaning up and get all that
done first. On the list of housecleaning is moving the tread to a more
accessible place. That will be my exercise of choice but I know myself and
I have to take baby steps. Thanks for the inspiration, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the only
thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have probably
lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size. Yet my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm feeling a
lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill , Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic
...
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ...
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am
getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told
him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per
day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort
to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree
that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see
what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really
well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you
visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going
to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week
I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just
for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

This subject made me laugh too. My Ma loves Red Lobster. The waitress
brings me a large club soda and a dish of limes when she first comes to the
table, and then she asks me if today is a baked potato day, or just veggies
with my grilled fish. If there is some new low fat offering on the menu she
shows me the writeup and says "you might like This" like the poached fish in
a bag with veggies.
She automatically brings our salads with Ma no tomatoes, and my dressing on
the side.

"Fred" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred
wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch. The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.


Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the
two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to
kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very
quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much
of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being
unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress
those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a
better portion
of the day.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.

Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't
even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really
turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to
slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or
motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation
could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't
know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it
also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do
think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive
reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It
kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play
somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities
revolve
around the bar. g

Joyce

Have fun this weekend Fred! Snacks are my problem too. Good luck.
--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Well, I am hoping to ski this weekend which could help the exercise
quotient. And maybe bike ride, too. If I can watch those snacks -
maybe....

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:05:09 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Still well within goal! That little .4 will be gone in no time!

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Perhaps he's jealous that he couldn't keep the weight off. I had a similar
thing happen to me with my aunt who is very obese (about 5' 4" and approx.
300 lbs). She told me I was getting too thin and should start to eat more.
Shoot, at the time I was about 180 lbs and I'm 5' 7". That's still
considered obese! I just ignored it, figuring she was jealous that she
couldn't lose weight, but then she's not trying either!


Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken
.... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

Good for you choosing the chicken & pasta instead of the cheeseburger! I
had a cheeseburger a few weeks ago, first time in almost a year. It was
good, but won't be doing that very often.


A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I am
just right where I am. (This from someone who has lost alot of weight and
recently has put some back on). As far as I'm concerned I still have at
least 22 lbs to go, but I may decide to go lower.

This same person sent me an email later that evening telling me what an
inspiration I was to her because of all I've been through with DH, running
our business on my own, raising a child, and losing weight too! Go
figure...

--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160


"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic ..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35 ... a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything for me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

My mom used to do the same thing when I would lose some weight. She'd
tell me that I was getting too skinny, eventhough I wasn't. She's also
overweight and has never had a success at keeping weight off.

Amber
214/208/165

Brenda Hammond wrote:
"Joyce" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g Baby

bro

told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him I

am then

the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day that

I have

ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on

about 30

pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of icecream

and chips

on a daily basis.


Perhaps he's jealous that he couldn't keep the weight off. I had a similar
thing happen to me with my aunt who is very obese (about 5' 4" and approx.
300 lbs). She told me I was getting too thin and should start to eat more.
Shoot, at the time I was about 180 lbs and I'm 5' 7". That's still
considered obese! I just ignored it, figuring she was jealous that she
couldn't lose weight, but then she's not trying either!


Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat more

fat!* ...

and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came

around, I

ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure

don't see

where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of chicken

... if

that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.

Dinner tonite

was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high

fiber and

nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old

trappings I

have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!


Good for you choosing the chicken & pasta instead of the cheeseburger! I
had a cheeseburger a few weeks ago, first time in almost a year. It was
good, but won't be doing that very often.


A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or

hasn't

found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that

following

any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took

too MUCH

effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it seemed

like

everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to continue

on the

journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:


Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see what

theirs

says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really well

staying

away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
m...

Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:


Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is going to be

a

bit

over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past week I was

in

the

160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just for

This



Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes doesn't it?

"Fred" wrote in message
news:cb0orvcba4e04ar4383s7fnqjt3qpmieg6@4ax. com...

Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Good luck with that housecleaning! I've got tons to do too. I had plans to
go and meet my parents today, but think I'll stay in and get something done
around the house as well. Tomorrow I'm off to work to try and get the store
a bit organized before Monday morning. Right now it's a mess!

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
I am working up to it, want to keep the housecleaning up and get all that
done first. On the list of housecleaning is moving the tread to a more
accessible place. That will be my exercise of choice but I know myself
and
I have to take baby steps. Thanks for the inspiration, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the only
thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have
probably
lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size. Yet my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm feeling
a
lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill , Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked anorexic
..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35
....
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers
say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your
shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything
for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am
getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound
woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena, I
am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is
to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am?
g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I
told
him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per
day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just
put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told,
*eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped
desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort
to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game
yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree
that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to see
what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really
well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you
visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is
going
to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow
morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past
week
I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight just
for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes
doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was
the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

My mum does this - she tries to be supportive, but has her own weight
problems. When I was right down, she'd nag me about being skinny. Now I'm
up again, I swear I can see her secretly enjoying it - just a little. She's
trying Atkins now (sorta), and at least eating out with her has gotten
easier - it's just our restrictions that vary!

--
krys

UK 157/137.4/126
Started March 1st 2001
GOAL August 16th 2001
struggling now.......

"Amber" wrote in message ...
My mom used to do the same thing when I would lose some weight. She'd
tell me that I was getting too skinny, eventhough I wasn't. She's also
overweight and has never had a success at keeping weight off.

Amber
214/208/165