NYNY - Fred - Nov 19

the house cleaning is a big part of my moving around. I had gotten so bad I
only did the least I could to get by. Now that I have lost I am starting to
get things as I want them. It is gratifying that I can do so much without
getting to tired. I am taking baby steps where this is concerned also. I
do some daily things every day and then if I have time I start a new
project. What started this was going through the closets looking for
clothes. I have now been through all of them once for clothes. My bedroom
closet is so clean it would scare most women and terrify most men. DH even
bought me those clear plastic shoe boxes from Wal Mart for my shoes. This
is the first time in my life I ever got anything out of cleaning, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Good luck with that housecleaning! I've got tons to do too. I had plans
to
go and meet my parents today, but think I'll stay in and get something
done
around the house as well. Tomorrow I'm off to work to try and get the
store
a bit organized before Monday morning. Right now it's a mess!

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
I am working up to it, want to keep the housecleaning up and get all
that
done first. On the list of housecleaning is moving the tread to a more
accessible place. That will be my exercise of choice but I know myself
and
I have to take baby steps. Thanks for the inspiration, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the only
thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have
probably
lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size. Yet
my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm
feeling
a
lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill ,
Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper
sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked
anorexic
..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28, 35
...
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the numbers
say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as
the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your
shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing anything
for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am
getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound
woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of Zena,
I
am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected
to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is
to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am?
g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I
told
him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times
per
day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just
put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told,
*eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view.
Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but
I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces
of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped
desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful,
wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much
effort
to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game
yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree
that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that
it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks
it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to
see
what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing really
well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters you
visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is
going
to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow
morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past
week
I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight
just
for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes
doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was
the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

LOL, Fred! Sorry for your teeny gain, you'll get her next week!

--

~Kristin O~
272/238/172

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html



"Fred" wrote in message
...
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably was the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

It's great that you're now able to do so much more than you could before.
Baby steps is the best way to start. I'm off to make a lasagna for DH, not
points friendly, but then I'm not much into lasagna either. A tiny little
piece with salad is plenty for me. Lots of housework to do too, so better
get moving. DH is going to sand the red paint off a chair that my MIL
re-finished 25+ years ago (its ugly!). Anyway, he's going to sand it then
I'm going to paint it white and finish the seat with a nice comfy pillow top
and light blue denim over it (its going to be my new chair at my desk here).
Will look much nicer than the 70's red that it is at the moment!
--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
the house cleaning is a big part of my moving around. I had gotten so bad
I
only did the least I could to get by. Now that I have lost I am starting
to
get things as I want them. It is gratifying that I can do so much without
getting to tired. I am taking baby steps where this is concerned also. I
do some daily things every day and then if I have time I start a new
project. What started this was going through the closets looking for
clothes. I have now been through all of them once for clothes. My
bedroom
closet is so clean it would scare most women and terrify most men. DH
even
bought me those clear plastic shoe boxes from Wal Mart for my shoes. This
is the first time in my life I ever got anything out of cleaning, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Good luck with that housecleaning! I've got tons to do too. I had
plans
to
go and meet my parents today, but think I'll stay in and get something
done
around the house as well. Tomorrow I'm off to work to try and get the
store
a bit organized before Monday morning. Right now it's a mess!

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
I am working up to it, want to keep the housecleaning up and get all
that
done first. On the list of housecleaning is moving the tread to a
more
accessible place. That will be my exercise of choice but I know
myself
and
I have to take baby steps. Thanks for the inspiration, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the
only
thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have
probably
lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size. Yet
my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm
feeling
a
lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill ,
Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper
sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with
stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked
anorexic
..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28,
35
...
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the
numbers
say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first
size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans as
the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto your
shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing
anything
for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on.
g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I am
getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159 pound
woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of
Zena,
I
am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected
to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it
is
to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I
am?
g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I
told
him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times
per
day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has
just
put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities
of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told,
*eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view.
Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points,
but
I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2
ounces
of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped
desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful,
wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much
effort
to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the
game
yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can
agree
that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say
that
it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few
weeks
it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy
to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also to
see
what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing
really
well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters
you
visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average is
going
to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow
morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this past
week
I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day weight
just
for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes
doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably
was
the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I am
just right where I am.

I got a lecture from my neighbours mother last week about how I
shouldn't lose any more weight because I'm too skinny now and I have
my kids to think of. See my sig to get an idea of how far off she is.
I'm not even really slim yet, let alone skinny.
--
Erin in NZ
125/88.5/75 kgs
275.3/194.9/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

I'm just putting it all down to jealousy Erin. Or maybe they're not used to
seeing us "thinner" and think we're starving ourselves!

"Erin Marsh" wrote in message
. co.nz...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't
had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone
in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I
am
just right where I am.

I got a lecture from my neighbours mother last week about how I
shouldn't lose any more weight because I'm too skinny now and I have
my kids to think of. See my sig to get an idea of how far off she is.
I'm not even really slim yet, let alone skinny.
--
Erin in NZ
125/88.5/75 kgs
275.3/194.9/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

Isn't it nice that you found a waitress that knows exactly what you want
without giving you a hassle about it or messing it up? There should be more
good waitresses in this world. Tonight we went out to dinner at the Raw Bar.
There speciality is Peel N'Eat Shrimp. Large shrimp. 1lb. I was not THAT
hungry and my mother never eats that much food. We ended up spliting a bowl
of clam chowder and an order of shrimp. Waitress split our order without
batting an eye. 2 bowls of soup and just the right size for both of us.
About 1/2 cup serving. 1 basket of shrimp with 2 containers of cocktail
sauce. There's a bunch of shrimp left over too for lunch tomorrow. Some
places give you dirty looks when you split orders so I usually hesitate in
asking. Not anymore.

After dinner everyone wanted to go to the ice cream place. I discovered that
they had SF/FF chocolate vanilla swirl. And asked for a half of a serving.
Probably a half cup. Just the right size. I don't know what she charged us
since DH handled the bill. I don't care. I am just happy that I am learning
to limit my portions while eating out.

"Lesanne" wrote in message
news
This subject made me laugh too. My Ma loves Red Lobster. The waitress
brings me a large club soda and a dish of limes when she first comes to
the
table, and then she asks me if today is a baked potato day, or just
veggies
with my grilled fish. If there is some new low fat offering on the menu
she
shows me the writeup and says "you might like This" like the poached fish
in
a bag with veggies.
She automatically brings our salads with Ma no tomatoes, and my dressing
on
the side.

"Fred" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred
wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to
his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch. The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.


Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told
him
I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of
the
two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to
kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very
quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much
of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being
unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to
supress
those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a
better portion
of the day.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.

Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today
weren't
even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really
turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to
slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or
motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation
could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I
don't
know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ...
it
also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I
do
think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive
reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me.
It
kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play
somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social
activities
revolve
around the bar. g

Joyce

I think it is the later - they are not use to seeing us to thin and
"sickly!"

Which may be part of next week's meeting discussion - as I recall "odd
things folks say to us when losing weight" or similar

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:26:32 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

I'm just putting it all down to jealousy Erin. Or maybe they're not used to
seeing us "thinner" and think we're starving ourselves!

"Erin Marsh" wrote in message
.co.nz...
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Size 6? Wonderful! And those measurements are great Joyce. I haven't
had
measurements like that since I was a teenager!

I often wonder if people are nuts too. Just the other day I had someone
in
the store that said I was looking great, but shouldn't lose anymore as I
am
just right where I am.

I got a lecture from my neighbours mother last week about how I
shouldn't lose any more weight because I'm too skinny now and I have
my kids to think of. See my sig to get an idea of how far off she is.
I'm not even really slim yet, let alone skinny.
--
Erin in NZ
125/88.5/75 kgs
275.3/194.9/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

I guess it is good = helps reinforce in our own minds what we are
doing and keep us honest. The other lunch place is a large pastrami
on whole wheat with everything which includes lettuce, tomato,
pickles, hot peppers, onions and mustard but does not include mayo.
And I eat half for lunch and the other half becomes another lunch or a
dinner. I don't really think it is point friendly but I have been
eating it since I started WW and lost weight with it so I'm sticking
with it (g)



On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:24:52 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

This subject made me laugh too. My Ma loves Red Lobster. The waitress
brings me a large club soda and a dish of limes when she first comes to the
table, and then she asks me if today is a baked potato day, or just veggies
with my grilled fish. If there is some new low fat offering on the menu she
shows me the writeup and says "you might like This" like the poached fish in
a bag with veggies.
She automatically brings our salads with Ma no tomatoes, and my dressing on
the side.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:48:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:42:37 -0800, Fred
wrote:

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the same old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

THAT'S IT. The Fear of falling back. Those were all firmly
established HABITS. And maybe even instincts of some sort. Fighting
them, establishing new ones take effort.

yup, establishing those habits sure isn't easy. I think I may be
successful
though. G Sonny boy arrived home from school today, is the beginning
of his
Thanksgiving break ... pulled in just in time to make a lunch run to his
favorite
mexican restaurant. We hadn't even sat down yet and the waitress came
over and
asked if we both wanted water. She brought the water, immediately told
me what
their fish special was - asked if I wanted that, no rice, no beans,
veggies only.
Geeeeeeesh, I didn't realize I had become so predictable!

GGGGGGGGGG - same here. I go into the Teriaki joint for lunch. The
Korean lady immediately starts writing "Chicken, no sauce, no
dressing, no fortune cookie." She has me down pat.


Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never expected to make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy it is to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I am? g
Baby bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic. I told him
I am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several times per day
that I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has just put on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities of
icecream and chips
on a daily basis.

The Bros' habits were mine - I would find a quart of some ice cream
but then see another favorite flavor and even possibly a third. Buy
them all and fill a soup bowl and maybe a second. And the potato
chips accompanied me on my commute home. And you might think that
with all those chips, the ice cream would wait till the next day. NO,
I think the chips just stimulated some appetite and ice would follow
when I got home. I really do think that I put on the last 20 pounds
pretty blindly and very fast.

Hub's habits are similar, makes me wonder what is it in the combo of the
two. He
will have his nightly icecream - then say he needs something salty to
kill the
sweet taste from the icecream. Bro's weight also has gone on very
quickly,
probably about 25-30 pounds within the last or 3 months. Granted, much
of his is
because of the change back to old habits, but also due to being
unemployed because
of a work injury ... currently awaiting surgery. It's harder to supress
those
urges and habits when we don't have something to keep us busy for a
better portion
of the day.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was told, *eat
more fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view. Waiter came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points, but I sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2 ounces of
chicken ... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful, wonderfully high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

I think you have me convinced that you are okay both mentally and
physically.

Thanks, I am beginning to think I'm ok too. Yesterday and today weren't
even the
question in my mind as to what was the better choice ... both really
turned out to
sound better to me as far as my tastes and preferences. I'll admit to
slipping
here and there, but overall ... I think I'm ok.

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much effort to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the game yet, or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can agree that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say that it took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few weeks it
seemed like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy to
continue on the
journey.

He is still young and he and his wife did it with borrowed materials
so maybe less vested in the program but he did lose about 40pounds.
He must have found the initial switch but maybe it is more like a foot
pedal switch - you need to constantly keep it engaged. It does not
just stay ON by itself.

Hmmmm, that is interesting. Probably does go back to that switch or
motivation.
40 pounds is a significant loss, I can also see where the motivation
could start
lacking after that period of time. Why it didn't for you, or me, I don't
know.
It seemed the more I lost, the higher my motivation became. Maybe ... it
also had
something to do with *this* group (for me) or the meetings for you? I do
think we
all need the rah-rah's here and there, nothing like positive
reinforcement to keep
us going. The challenges run here were extremely motivating for me. It
kept me
focused, kept me heading toward my goal. I suppose age could also play
somewhat
of a role - especially if he is still at that age where social activities
revolve
around the bar. g

Joyce

Another report indicates that I had a great first ski trip of the
season. I did neglect to mention that I took a piece of the Costco
chocolate cake out of the freezer and ate it at lunch while sitting in
the snow (G)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:48:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Have fun this weekend Fred! Snacks are my problem too. Good luck.

there are some things that it truly is fine that I cannot see, 70s red and
green are two of them, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
It's great that you're now able to do so much more than you could before.
Baby steps is the best way to start. I'm off to make a lasagna for DH,
not
points friendly, but then I'm not much into lasagna either. A tiny little
piece with salad is plenty for me. Lots of housework to do too, so better
get moving. DH is going to sand the red paint off a chair that my MIL
re-finished 25+ years ago (its ugly!). Anyway, he's going to sand it then
I'm going to paint it white and finish the seat with a nice comfy pillow
top
and light blue denim over it (its going to be my new chair at my desk
here).
Will look much nicer than the 70's red that it is at the moment!
--
Brenda
209/172/150
NYNY goal 160

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
the house cleaning is a big part of my moving around. I had gotten so
bad
I
only did the least I could to get by. Now that I have lost I am
starting
to
get things as I want them. It is gratifying that I can do so much
without
getting to tired. I am taking baby steps where this is concerned also.
I
do some daily things every day and then if I have time I start a new
project. What started this was going through the closets looking for
clothes. I have now been through all of them once for clothes. My
bedroom
closet is so clean it would scare most women and terrify most men. DH
even
bought me those clear plastic shoe boxes from Wal Mart for my shoes.
This
is the first time in my life I ever got anything out of cleaning, Lee
Brenda Hammond wrote in message
...
Good luck with that housecleaning! I've got tons to do too. I had
plans
to
go and meet my parents today, but think I'll stay in and get something
done
around the house as well. Tomorrow I'm off to work to try and get the
store
a bit organized before Monday morning. Right now it's a mess!

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
s.com...
I am working up to it, want to keep the housecleaning up and get all
that
done first. On the list of housecleaning is moving the tread to a
more
accessible place. That will be my exercise of choice but I know
myself
and
I have to take baby steps. Thanks for the inspiration, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Try it, you might find you like it! grin Honestly, that's the
only
thing I can
think of that could be accounting for a change in sizes. I have
probably
lost
only 5 pounds in the last 3 months - not enough to drop a size.
Yet
my
measurements have dropped quite a bit in the past 5 weeks. I'm
feeling
a
lot
better, too - which is an added benefit.

Joyce

shifting into a size six would give me incentive to do tread mill
,
Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
I'm tellin' ya, they're all freakin' nutz! (or as the bumper
sticker
on
hubbys
drs. car reads ... nuckin futz) Where do they come up with
stuff
like
this?
Evidentally it bugged me enough that I asked hub if I looked
anorexic
..
he just
laughed at me and told me not to worry. Measurements? 37, 28,
35
...
a
fur piece
from doing a disappearing act. Like you, I don't think the
numbers
say
thin
either - but the clothing sizes seem to. Bought my very first
size
small
sweaters
yesterday (obviously was a fluke) and did need some new jeans
as
the
butt
is
sagging dramatically in my old ones ... size ... hang onto
your
shorts
here 6!
Fit beautifully. The treadmill doesn't appear to be doing
anything
for
me
weightwise, but I think there is a bunch of shifting going on.
g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:37 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

And I am Blissfully, Healthily, Happily neurotic as well. I
am
getting
those comments too, can you imagine, people calling a 159
pound
woman
"gaunt"

I measured myself the other day incidentally, and shades of
Zena,
I
am
40,
28,38. Not skinny by any means at all. Not even thin.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:30 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Yes, I guess staying reasonably under a goal I never
expected
to
make
is actually quite excellent. One can understand how easy
it
is
to
become too neurotic about all of this.

Ooooooooooh, I like the neurotic word! Maybe that's where I
am?
g
Baby
bro
told me today that I need to eat more fat, I look anorexic.
I
told
him
I
am then
the first 130 pound anorexic who willingly eats several
times
per
day t
hat
I have
ever known. G Of course, this is said by the guy who has
just
put
on
about 30
pounds by resuming old habits of eating unlimited quantities
of
icecream
and chips
on a daily basis.

Out to lunch we went, dragging mom with us. Again I was
told,
*eat
more
fat!* ...
and the cheeseburger jumped off the menu and into my view.
Waiter
came
around, I
ordered garlic chicken pasta (Dottie's says it's 11 points,
but
I
sure
don't see
where it can be that much, couldn't have had more than 2
ounces
of
chicken
... if
that ... and about a cup of angel hair). Oh, and I skipped
desert.
Dinner tonite
was a can of health valley soup (wonderful, wonderful,
wonderfully
high
fiber and
nutritious) and a fantastic wheat pita sandwich.

neurotic? Maybe, I don't know. Fear of falling into the
same
old
trappings I
have worked so hard to free myself of? Definitely!

A coworker has been complaining that it is taking too much
effort
to
stick with it. He misses his beer weekends and snacks.

Sounds like coworker really doesn't have his mind into the
game
yet,
or
hasn't
found that *switch* we like to talk about.. I guess I can
agree
that
following
any healthy plan does take a bit of effort ... I can't say
that
it
took
too MUCH
effort though - not for me anyway. After the initial few
weeks
it
seemed
like
everything fell into place in my head and it really was easy
to
continue
on the
journey.

Joyce


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:17:01 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Thanks. I am going to the meeting Saturday morning also
to
see
what
theirs
says. And check in with all my buddies. You are doing
really
well
staying
away from the dreaded 164.


"Fred" wrote in message
. ..
Well, with your temps, a shark might visit those waters
you
visit.

Best for tomorrow.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:25:48 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Nah Fred, I might be lower on Saturday, but my average
is
going
to
be
a
bit
over that unless I lose a leg or something tomorrow
morning....

This morning I was 158.5, but the whole rest of this
past
week
I
was
in
the
160's. Maybe I should go Back to my weigh in day
weight
just
for
This


Hahahahaha. Oh I am so bad. That .4 has to be clothes
doesn't
it?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Darn, Lesanne may do it again this week! It probably
was
the
goosebump enhanced flesh!! (G)

Up: 0.4
Current Weight 159.4

Fred
219.2/159.4/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002