I don't understand cheating.

"Luna" wrote in message
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Aww, man, now I want french toast. ) If I decided to cheat with french
toast, here's how I'd do it. I don't have bread in the house, so I'd go
to
my neighbor's and ask them for a slice of bread, make my one piece of
french toast, and eat it, and then, well I'd be done and no more bread!
Ta-da!


I just have a real problem with the cheats for myself. The way I ate
before is what made this WOL essential for me. It's the only way I can
control my appetite. I've gone through junk food binges that would boggle
the mind. I tried the planned thing and failed miserably.

Norsk

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"kc" wrote:

"Luna" wrote in message
...

Aww, man, now I want french toast. ) If I decided to cheat with french
toast, here's how I'd do it. I don't have bread in the house, so I'd go
to
my neighbor's and ask them for a slice of bread, make my one piece of
french toast, and eat it, and then, well I'd be done and no more bread!


you could make french toast with low carb bread, right? the rest of the
recipe is LC friendly. ok, so you can't have the syrup, but you could top
it with fresh berries and freshly whipped cream.

-kelly



Not much of a syrup eater anyway. I was never a big bread eater even
pre-LC, so buying a whole loaf would be a waste of money. I'll tell you
what I've really been missing lately, more than french toast: those frozen
blintzes in the kosher section at Kroger. Can't remember who makes them,
but they were a real treat with some strawberry jam. I'm sure this craving
will pass though, it's not as intense as the one for the chicken, egg, and
cheese biscuits from Chik-Fil-A, and that craving passed without caving
into it.

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http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
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: Ignoramus brought up a great point this evening in another thread.
:
: Can someone please explain to me what the big temptation behind a "planned
: cheat" is?
:
: The point of a low carb diet ultimately (if you treat it as a way of
eating,
: now losing a quick 10lbs in water weight) is to reduce your cravings for
: refined white sugar and white flour, reduce your appetite, and lose
weight.
: You eat less, you feel better, and you take in less calories and you start
: to lose weight.
:
: But - and this isn't meant to be a rude shot at anyone - why would you
want
: to plan to cheat. Plan to eat the things that used to make you feel bad.
:
: That doesn't seem like a "treat" to me, but more or less an injustice to
: your body.
:
: If I want to eat some bread, I do it. I do it knowing that it isn't good
for
: me, and I rarely do it because of that.
:
: so I was just wondering, if you want to break food addictions, why have a
: day when you PLAN to let the addictions overcome you?
:
: Trust me. If you believe something to be a reality, it starts to be your
: truth. If you believe truly that the LC WOE is the best WOE, then you will
: not want to plan for cheats.
: If you view the diet as restrictive to the point where you spend a day
: eating stuff you KNOW is not good for you, then you are at least for some
: time preoccupied with what you should not me thinking of, the things which
: negatively impact an aspect of your life you are trying to change (in this
: case your diet).
:
: I hope I haven't offended anyone, but this is just what popped into my
head.
:
:
Hi Steve,
I'm only on day 17 or so, and three times so far there have been occasions
where it would have been very easy to cheat.
Ex: Day 9, I had to put my cat to sleep. I was very upset, and all I
wanted was comfort food to soothe me. I really wanted to just get totally
stoned on carbs. On the drive home I passed up stopping at my favourite
cafe that has the best and freshest cinnamon buns. I also passed up on the
donut shop too. ( I was quite surprised at myself, as I am normally an
emotional eater) At home (i live with two non low carbers) one of my
favourite dishes was for dinner - a big pot of greek pilafi and chicken.
It's the pilafi (rice) I was yearning for not the chicken. But I was able
to pass it up and I ate my own low carb dinner. I did have one and one half
advantage bars though. It did the trick. I forgave myself considering the
circumstances.
On the weekend we went to an Indian restaurant, I think I did quite well ( I
say I think because I didn't eat any visible carbs). And today I was hungry
but also really tired from a lack of sleep last night, I really didn't want
to cook and my sis and I ended up going for dim sum. I really wanted to go
for dim sum before I started low carbing (kind of like the last supper
syndrome) but I didn't get a chance to. And when we went today I figured
ok maybe a little cheat. Just a little something. But again, I kept it low
carb (i think), I ate only the inside of the shrimp dumplings, etc. No
visible carbs. Felt full, didn't crave anything, stayed full for at least 6
hours. So I'm thinking I did pretty ok considering. 18 days ago I was a
carb addict of the worse kind (hence my weight below) along with a spinal
injury and meds that have kept me inactive for the last 8 years. I was
always overweight (carbs), but quite fit before then. I don't care what
anyone says, I know you can be fit and fat at the same time. I grew up in
the restaurant business and I could easily outrun the skinny mini waitresses
and pick up their slack too. I had an athletic resting heart rate and lots
of endurance and strength. Not trying to boast or anything, just the facts.
Alas, not now though. (sorry for rambling btw)
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I figured myself to be the kind that
would be planning cheats all the time. I am so surprised at how I'm really
not missing much, and even when my old standbys are staring me in the face,
I can resist. Go figure huh.
If you're still reading this, thanks
Monica
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"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in
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If I want to eat some bread, I do it. I do it knowing that it isn't
good for me, and I rarely do it because of that.

so I was just wondering, if you want to break food addictions, why
have a day when you PLAN to let the addictions overcome you?

IMO when you PLAN to do something you're in control and you aren't allowing
your addictions to overcome you. It's your first example that does that. You
see something on the spur of the moment and want it so you eat it knowing
it's not good for you. That's about as addiction pandering as it gets.

Of course if you do either often then you're just deluding yourself that
you're low carbing.

From: "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)"



Ignoramus brought up a great point this evening in another thread.

Can someone please explain to me what the big temptation behind a "planned
cheat" is?

The point of a low carb diet ultimately (if you treat it as a way of eating,
now losing a quick 10lbs in water weight) is to reduce your cravings for
refined white sugar and white flour, reduce your appetite, and lose weight.
You eat less, you feel better, and you take in less calories and you start
to lose weight.

But - and this isn't meant to be a rude shot at anyone - why would you want
to plan to cheat. Plan to eat the things that used to make you feel bad.

That doesn't seem like a "treat" to me, but more or less an injustice to
your body.

If I want to eat some bread, I do it. I do it knowing that it isn't good for
me, and I rarely do it because of that.

so I was just wondering, if you want to break food addictions, why have a
day when you PLAN to let the addictions overcome you?

Trust me. If you believe something to be a reality, it starts to be your
truth. If you believe truly that the LC WOE is the best WOE, then you will
not want to plan for cheats.
If you view the diet as restrictive to the point where you spend a day
eating stuff you KNOW is not good for you, then you are at least for some
time preoccupied with what you should not me thinking of, the things which
negatively impact an aspect of your life you are trying to change (in this
case your diet).

I hope I haven't offended anyone, but this is just what popped into my head.


If you google "leptin refeed" or even just "refeed" you can find all sorts of
info on the biochemistry behind what some people call "cheat days" or "cheat
meals."

For example, if I wanted to drop down to a really low BF%, I would need to be
more precise in my plan & do one day a week of very high carb & low fat, but is
easier and more pleasant for me to just eat more fruit, yucca or sweet potoato
one meal a week and let some of the sugar go into my liver.
However, the next day I have to be extra vigilant to make sure that everything
I eat doesn't store as fat instead of burning.

Robyn

norsk wrote:
:: "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in
:: message news:P1FUb.10738$213.7561@edtnps89...
::: Ignoramus brought up a great point this evening in another thread.
:::
::: Can someone please explain to me what the big temptation behind a
::: "planned cheat" is?
:::
::
:: I agree....planned cheats are a bad thing. I have done the planned
:: cheat thing twice...both times led to a long derailing of my LC'ing.
:: I guess it comes down to no matter how much you change your
:: lifestyle, sometimes the lure to eat something you really liked
:: before LC'ing makes you feel you compromise less by including it in
:: the occasional cheat.
::
:: To anyone considering it who hasn't done it...don't. It messed me up
:: twice big time. My cheat was french toast both times.

Keep in mind that your experiences apply only to you. I can eat off LC and
return back with no problems, in terms of staying on plan (this kind of
thing can slow weight loss). It is something that just takes practice, imo.
It may be harder for some and easier for others. I found, when I first
started LCing, that is was hard to get back on course. But over time it has
become quite simple.

The one thing that no one seems to remember in this thread is that carbs are
not evil....excessive consumption of carbs is what gets most of us into
trouble. My ventures "off plan" are part of my 80/20 rule, which I endeavor
to beat most of the time. If I can keep on track 80% of the time, the other
20% won't matter. However, I like 90% or greater.

::
::
:: Norsk

Luna wrote:
:: In article wSFUb.183333$Rc4.1371235@attbi_s54,
:: "norsk" wrote:
::
::: "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in
::: message news:P1FUb.10738$213.7561@edtnps89...
:::: Ignoramus brought up a great point this evening in another thread.
::::
:::: Can someone please explain to me what the big temptation behind a
:::: "planned cheat" is?
::::
:::
::: I agree....planned cheats are a bad thing. I have done the planned
::: cheat thing twice...both times led to a long derailing of my
::: LC'ing. I guess it comes down to no matter how much you change your
::: lifestyle, sometimes the lure to eat something you really liked
::: before LC'ing makes you feel you compromise less by including it in
::: the occasional cheat.
:::
::: To anyone considering it who hasn't done it...don't. It messed me
::: up twice big time. My cheat was french toast both times.
:::
:::
::: Norsk
:::
:::
::
:: Aww, man, now I want french toast. ) If I decided to cheat with
:: french toast, here's how I'd do it. I don't have bread in the
:: house, so I'd go to my neighbor's and ask them for a slice of bread,
:: make my one piece of
:: french toast, and eat it, and then, well I'd be done and no more
:: bread! Ta-da!

What I would do is have a lot of slices -- eat my fill (which, btw, is a lot
less since my stomach won't hold as much), but I'd go light on the syrup. I
find that a little bit of syrup is plenty.

Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: "kc" wrote:
::
::: "Luna" wrote in message
::: ...
::::
:::: Aww, man, now I want french toast. ) If I decided to cheat
:::: with french toast, here's how I'd do it. I don't have bread in
:::: the house, so I'd go to my neighbor's and ask them for a slice of
:::: bread, make my one piece of french toast, and eat it, and then,
:::: well I'd be done and no more bread!
:::
:::
::: you could make french toast with low carb bread, right? the rest
::: of the recipe is LC friendly. ok, so you can't have the syrup, but
::: you could top it with fresh berries and freshly whipped cream.
:::
::: -kelly
:::
:::
::
:: Not much of a syrup eater anyway. I was never a big bread eater even
:: pre-LC, so buying a whole loaf would be a waste of money. I'll tell
:: you
:: what I've really been missing lately, more than french toast: those
:: frozen blintzes in the kosher section at Kroger. Can't remember who
:: makes them,
:: but they were a real treat with some strawberry jam. I'm sure this
:: craving will pass though, it's not as intense as the one for the
:: chicken, egg, and cheese biscuits from Chik-Fil-A, and that craving
:: passed without caving
:: into it.

I enjoy those chik-fil-a nuggests! I should check how carby they are....

norsk wrote:
:: "Luna" wrote in message
:: ...
::: In article wSFUb.183333$Rc4.1371235@attbi_s54,
::
::::
::::
:::
::: Aww, man, now I want french toast. ) If I decided to cheat with
::: french toast, here's how I'd do it. I don't have bread in the
::: house, so I'd go to my neighbor's and ask them for a slice of
::: bread, make my one piece of french toast, and eat it, and then,
::: well I'd be done and no more bread! Ta-da!
::
::
:: I just have a real problem with the cheats for myself. The way I
:: ate before is what made this WOL essential for me. It's the only way
:: I can control my appetite. I've gone through junk food binges that
:: would boggle the mind. I tried the planned thing and failed
:: miserably.

Norsk, do you work out? I find that if I LC strictly for about a month (as
I'm doing now) and exercise (lots of cardio and WT) then by the end of the
much I am so glycogen depleted that it becomes a misery to train. So, I
take a day off where I don't bother counting everything and I eat something
enjoyable -- something with carbs. However, I don't go totally nuts (I'm a
nut fiend, btw) and the one thing I try to watch our for eating eating a lot
of fat with a lot of sugar! So, when I go off plan I basically try to
switch over to low fat, rather than going back to high fat, high carb. I
think the latter can result in one adding fat back to the body. The former
can refill muscle and liver glycogen and thus make you balloon up in weight.

Brenda wrote:
:: Doktersteve wrote:
::
::: Ignoramus brought up a great point this evening in another thread.
:::
::: Can someone please explain to me what the big temptation behind a
::: "planned cheat" is?
:::
::: The point of a low carb diet ultimately (if you treat it as a way
::: of eating, now losing a quick 10lbs in water weight) is to reduce
::: your cravings for refined white sugar and white flour, reduce your
::: appetite, and lose weight. You eat less, you feel better, and you
::: take in less calories and you start
::: to lose weight.
:::
::: But - and this isn't meant to be a rude shot at anyone - why would
::: you want to plan to cheat. Plan to eat the things that used to make
::: you feel bad.
:::
::: That doesn't seem like a "treat" to me, but more or less an
::: injustice to
::: your body.
:::
::: If I want to eat some bread, I do it. I do it knowing that it isn't
::: good for me, and I rarely do it because of that.
:::
::: so I was just wondering, if you want to break food addictions, why
::: have a
::: day when you PLAN to let the addictions overcome you?
:::
::: Trust me. If you believe something to be a reality, it starts to be
::: your truth. If you believe truly that the LC WOE is the best WOE,
::: then you will not want to plan for cheats.
::: If you view the diet as restrictive to the point where you spend a
::: day
::: eating stuff you KNOW is not good for you, then you are at least
::: for some time preoccupied with what you should not me thinking of,
::: the things which negatively impact an aspect of your life you are
::: trying to change (in this case your diet).
:::
::: I hope I haven't offended anyone, but this is just what popped into
::: my head.
::
:: I go off plan once in a while because I LOVE food. I love to cook,
:: eat, shop, etc. I even read cookbooks like some people read novels.
:: I am a total foodie! By allowing myself a planned cheat I can
:: control myself rather than binge.
::
:: There are many non-LC foods that I miss: extra spicy orange chicken,
:: salt bagels, anything at any Wolfgang Puck restaurant, whole grain
:: pancakes with real maple syrup at my favorite breakfast place,
:: chicken mole, pumpkin ravioli, just to name a few.
::
:: I'm in this for the long haul and I can't imagine NEVER eating these
:: foods again. I do count my carbs and calories even on "cheat" days
:: so I know what adjustments to make to help compensate. I'll do extra
:: cardio to burn the glycogen and cut way back on the carbs for a few
:: days.
::
:: I think eating in moderation is the key to successfully maintaining.
:: Remember, even low carb will put on weight if too many calories are
:: consumed.
::
:: With that said, I do try to limit my off-plan days by remembering
:: the words of the great Steven Tyler: "Nothing tastes as good as thin
:: feels." Keeping this mantra in mind does help me limit my "cheats".
::
::

I'm with you, Brenda!

::
:: Brenda
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