entemans, sugar, "treats" being "good" and "fat people"

"katie k" wrote in message
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"eff" wrote in message
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"katie k" wrote...
| BIRTHDAY CAKE??????
| how about a new dress instead? or a new book?
|
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| many of you still don't get it...
|
| FOOD ISN'T ENTERTAINMENT...it's fuel...

You are a true idiot. Weren't you so outta here when your class paper
was
finished?

eff

If thinking someone telling you that your continuing to eat your
precious desserts is harmful and that you can reward yourself by doing
something less damaging is idiotic, I advise you to think again...for
your family's sake if not for yours...

one thing for sure... you won't change being a "internal fatso" even
if you lose some pounds until you start rethinking the things that are
important in your life...

I don't know that I'll ever stop being an 'internal fatso' myself - even
when I've been thin for years. That's because my mental image still has not
caught up with my weight, and it may not ever. I'm still surprised when I
catch a glimpse of myself in a window as I pass by, or see a picture of
myself. But that has nothing to do with what I choose to eat, it's just
that I was overweight for so long that I may never lose that mental image of
myself. This isn't a bad thing at all, as far as I'm concerned. That
'internal fatso' is what will help keep me thin, IMO - because I know she
could become external again all too easily. You say it like it's a bad
thing, personally I think it's a good one. I hope I *never* forget where I
came from, myself.


I don't know you, but to fear or dread going through life without
"birthday cake" is about as pathetic as it gets...


Fear or dread? I certainly don't fear anything about birthday cake - either
eating it or not eating it. I chose on my last birthday to eat a slice of
the cake that my coworkers had brought in for me. I had a small slice,
enjoyed it, and then went right back on plan. I will probably do the same
on my birthday this year. Life is too short not to have the occasional
indulgence in something you enjoy - and as long as it *is* occasional,
there's no harm in it, IMO. It's when it becomes regular or often rather
than occasional, that the problems arise - and the same can be said of
buying a new dress, too. Too much impulse spending can lead to unmanageable
debt and/or bankruptcy, just like too much impulse eating can lead to
obesity.

sorry to not "sugar coat" it, but really....

I know one thing... I sure don't need to eat ****ING BIRTHDAY CAKE to
enjoy my life...and my suitemates who cut out all the sugar are down
pounds and pounds and no longer chained to the idea of food as reward.

And that's great. Everyone has to do what works for them. I'm also down
pounds and pounds (45 to be exact), and I also had some birthday cake. And
probably will again. My birthday happens once a year, and having a slice of
cake on that one day isn't likely to cause me to regain the weight I've lost
or give up on the WOE. I am not chained to the idea of food as a reward, no
more than I am to shopping as a reward. But that also doesn't mean that I
don't enjoy some off-plan food on occasion or some impulse shopping on
occasion. As long as I'm not regaining by my occasional indulgences, or
putting myself into debt by my occasional impulse spending, I don't see that
either one is an issue. YMMV.

I find it extremely amusing though, that you have essentially showed a side
of yourself here that mirrors exactly what you've been objecting most
strongly to about JC, Queen, and now eff. I've heard it said many times
that we often most dislike the traits in others that are the same ones we
most dislike about ourselves... g.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
192/147/140

Roger Zoul wrote:

Jean B. wrote:
:: Ignoramus28400 wrote:
:::
::: In article
::: , Luna
::: wrote:
:::: In article ,
:::: Ignoramus28400 wrote:
::::
::::: In article , Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: I don't think that's really what happens....I think people just
:::::: forget to be on guard for weight regain...they lose the mental
:::::: focus...hence, everything goes to hell in a hand basket. With
:::::: just a little bit of effort and a sound approach, I believe it
:::::: will be relatively easy to maintain weight loss. But of
:::::: paramount importance is to ALWAYS be paying attention.
:::::
::::: You got it Roger. All that is needed is mental focus, vigilance
::::: and
::::: knowing that weight loss lasts as long as you try to maintain it.
::::: Most
::::: people here are naturally fat, meaning that they will stay slim
::::: only
::::: as long as they keep trying.
:::::
::::: i
::::: naturally fat person
::::: 223/173/180
::::
:::: That's weird. I always felt like I was naturally fat, until I
:::: started
:::: losing weight. Now I feel like I'm meant to be naturally thin, as
:::: long as
:::: I eat low-carb. Which honestly is not hard to do. I don't feel
:::: like I'm
:::: on a diet, I don't feel deprived, I feel like I am supposed to eat
:::: this way.
::::
:::
::: Well, it seems like we have different definitions in mind. I feel
::: that
::: I am naturally fat because I know that I cannot maintain my weight
::: unless I watch what, and how much, I eat. Since I do watch what and
::: how much I eat, I maintain my weight without a huge struggle.
:::
::: You feel that you are not naturally fat, because you maintain your
::: weight as long as you watch what you eat.
:::
::: To me, we are both in the same boat in the sense that we maintain
::: without great difficulty, as long as actually are working on it.
:::
::: i
::
:: Maybe it depends on one's definition of "working on it". I find
:: this WOE to be natural now. Even when I tell myself I could have
:: something high-carb, I end up not doing it. I occasionally get
:: something that is not the absolute lowest carb thing at a
:: restaurant, but I don't even WANT the very (or even moderately)
:: carby things. Last night I told myself I could have a few
:: croutons in my salad, but then I couldn't do that and ended up
:: sprinkling on some toasted slivered almonds to give it a bit of
:: crunch. All of this is something truly different for me and makes
:: me think I will really not put the weight I have lost back on.

I find that all the stuff I used to like before going LC, I still like it.
I don't crave it, mind you, but it tastes just as good as it ever did. The
difference now it that I choose not to eat it, or if i do, I do so very
infrequently.


Well, the bits I have had were a mixed bag. I can't say I TRULY
enjoyed most to the things enough to want to eat them again.
There have been a few exceptions, like a piece of a pumpernickel
bagel.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::
::: Jean B. wrote:
::::: Ignoramus28400 wrote:
::::::
:::::: In article
:::::: , Luna
:::::: wrote:
::::::: In article ,
::::::: Ignoramus28400 wrote:
:::::::
:::::::: In article , Roger Zoul
:::::::: wrote:
::::::::: I don't think that's really what happens....I think people
::::::::: just forget to be on guard for weight regain...they lose the
::::::::: mental focus...hence, everything goes to hell in a hand
::::::::: basket. With
::::::::: just a little bit of effort and a sound approach, I believe it
::::::::: will be relatively easy to maintain weight loss. But of
::::::::: paramount importance is to ALWAYS be paying attention.
::::::::
:::::::: You got it Roger. All that is needed is mental focus, vigilance
:::::::: and
:::::::: knowing that weight loss lasts as long as you try to maintain
:::::::: it. Most
:::::::: people here are naturally fat, meaning that they will stay slim
:::::::: only
:::::::: as long as they keep trying.
::::::::
:::::::: i
:::::::: naturally fat person
:::::::: 223/173/180
:::::::
::::::: That's weird. I always felt like I was naturally fat, until I
::::::: started
::::::: losing weight. Now I feel like I'm meant to be naturally thin,
::::::: as long as
::::::: I eat low-carb. Which honestly is not hard to do. I don't feel
::::::: like I'm
::::::: on a diet, I don't feel deprived, I feel like I am supposed to
::::::: eat this way.
:::::::
::::::
:::::: Well, it seems like we have different definitions in mind. I feel
:::::: that
:::::: I am naturally fat because I know that I cannot maintain my
:::::: weight unless I watch what, and how much, I eat. Since I do
:::::: watch what and how much I eat, I maintain my weight without a
:::::: huge struggle.
::::::
:::::: You feel that you are not naturally fat, because you maintain
:::::: your weight as long as you watch what you eat.
::::::
:::::: To me, we are both in the same boat in the sense that we maintain
:::::: without great difficulty, as long as actually are working on it.
::::::
:::::: i
:::::
::::: Maybe it depends on one's definition of "working on it". I find
::::: this WOE to be natural now. Even when I tell myself I could have
::::: something high-carb, I end up not doing it. I occasionally get
::::: something that is not the absolute lowest carb thing at a
::::: restaurant, but I don't even WANT the very (or even moderately)
::::: carby things. Last night I told myself I could have a few
::::: croutons in my salad, but then I couldn't do that and ended up
::::: sprinkling on some toasted slivered almonds to give it a bit of
::::: crunch. All of this is something truly different for me and makes
::::: me think I will really not put the weight I have lost back on.
:::
::: I find that all the stuff I used to like before going LC, I still
::: like it. I don't crave it, mind you, but it tastes just as good as
::: it ever did. The difference now it that I choose not to eat it, or
::: if i do, I do so very infrequently.
:::
::
:: Well, the bits I have had were a mixed bag. I can't say I TRULY
:: enjoyed most to the things enough to want to eat them again.
:: There have been a few exceptions, like a piece of a pumpernickel
:: bagel.

Be very happy about that....I *wish* such were the case for me....