Back from being lost at sea (long report)

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| I'll check that out. You dip the strips into your blood or something
|| like that? ugh!
||

We've discussed this in the past, haven't we? I thought I volunteered to
buy some strips and send them to you. Then, as I recall, you said you had a
sister who could do that. Perhaps I'm mistaken.


|| doug
||
|| On 9/15/04 7:55 AM, in article ,
|| "Jenny" wrote:
||
||| Get someone in the US to mail you an $8 Relion meter from Wal-Mart
||| and a $40 box of 100 strips and start testing your blood sugar 1
||| hour after you eat a food.

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| I'll check that out. You dip the strips into your blood or something
|| like that? ugh!
||

We've discussed this in the past, haven't we? I thought I volunteered to
buy some strips and send them to you. Then, as I recall, you said you had a
sister who could do that. Perhaps I'm mistaken.


|| doug
||
|| On 9/15/04 7:55 AM, in article ,
|| "Jenny" wrote:
||
||| Get someone in the US to mail you an $8 Relion meter from Wal-Mart
||| and a $40 box of 100 strips and start testing your blood sugar 1
||| hour after you eat a food.

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| I'll check that out. You dip the strips into your blood or something
|| like that? ugh!
||

We've discussed this in the past, haven't we? I thought I volunteered to
buy some strips and send them to you. Then, as I recall, you said you had a
sister who could do that. Perhaps I'm mistaken.


|| doug
||
|| On 9/15/04 7:55 AM, in article ,
|| "Jenny" wrote:
||
||| Get someone in the US to mail you an $8 Relion meter from Wal-Mart
||| and a $40 box of 100 strips and start testing your blood sugar 1
||| hour after you eat a food.

In article ,
Doug Lerner wrote:

On 9/15/04 12:39 AM, in article
, "Luna"
wrote:

Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus higher
calorie, foods.

doug


Not true. An egg, for example, generally has less than 100 calories.
Three eggs is a filling meal. A grilled chicken breast is low-fat, as are
many low-carb vegetables. I was easily able to stay under 1500 calories
and 20-30g carbs.

Maybe I should clarify. I would add "with reasonable variety and something
you can maintain for the rest of your life".

doug

Like shrimp, chicken, and salmon? I can do that the rest of my life, no
problem. Last night ate at Outback. Grilled shrimp on the barbie,
caesar salad, grilled salmon with broccoli and butter. Lunch was El
Pollo Loco 4-piece chicken meal. Breakfast was a couple of fried eggs
topped with cheese. Finished off with some olives before bed.

That's (checking Fitday results) 14 gram carbs (actually less since I
didn't subtract the fiber out of the broccoli), 1257 calories, 64%
calories from fat.

Or the day befo 1.5 oz Gruyere cheese for breakfast, El Pollo Loco
4-piece grilled chicken lunch (ok, I like their chicken!), shrimp
envueltos (wrapped in bacon and grilled), and a big chicken/avocado
Caesar salad for dinner. 1125 cal, 9 carb, 61% cals from fat. Should
have had more veggies, but I had had a bunch of Brussels sprouts the day
before.

Yeah, I'm suffering the torments of the damned here. Faugh. Looking at
the last month Fitday report, I've averaged 1390 calories, 12 grams
carb, 60% cals from fat, while eating as much as I want with a great
deal of variety.

KeS

In article ,
Doug Lerner wrote:

On 9/15/04 12:39 AM, in article
, "Luna"
wrote:

Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus higher
calorie, foods.

doug


Not true. An egg, for example, generally has less than 100 calories.
Three eggs is a filling meal. A grilled chicken breast is low-fat, as are
many low-carb vegetables. I was easily able to stay under 1500 calories
and 20-30g carbs.

Maybe I should clarify. I would add "with reasonable variety and something
you can maintain for the rest of your life".

doug

Like shrimp, chicken, and salmon? I can do that the rest of my life, no
problem. Last night ate at Outback. Grilled shrimp on the barbie,
caesar salad, grilled salmon with broccoli and butter. Lunch was El
Pollo Loco 4-piece chicken meal. Breakfast was a couple of fried eggs
topped with cheese. Finished off with some olives before bed.

That's (checking Fitday results) 14 gram carbs (actually less since I
didn't subtract the fiber out of the broccoli), 1257 calories, 64%
calories from fat.

Or the day befo 1.5 oz Gruyere cheese for breakfast, El Pollo Loco
4-piece grilled chicken lunch (ok, I like their chicken!), shrimp
envueltos (wrapped in bacon and grilled), and a big chicken/avocado
Caesar salad for dinner. 1125 cal, 9 carb, 61% cals from fat. Should
have had more veggies, but I had had a bunch of Brussels sprouts the day
before.

Yeah, I'm suffering the torments of the damned here. Faugh. Looking at
the last month Fitday report, I've averaged 1390 calories, 12 grams
carb, 60% cals from fat, while eating as much as I want with a great
deal of variety.

KeS

On 9/15/04 11:29 AM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

No....low cal is eating significantly below your maintenance (various slants
would be not restricting any food group, or restricting fat, or restricting
carbs, but it's all low cal)....as you lose weight, your maintenance
lowers. So, as long as you're not forever losing weight, you're not going
to always be doing low cal. Your weight loss slows if you don't continue to
drop cals. Finally, you will drift towards your maintenance calories -
which is NOT low cal. The sad truth is that you won't be able to eat like
your (not you specifically) fat self.

Ah. I disagree with you here. I think eating your maintenance level of
calories is the way to go - from the start - even if it means a slower rate
of weight loss.

I'm eating 2000 calories per day. My idea is to completely change my
lifestyle and get used to that because if I eat more than that I'll gain
weight later on.

So isn't it best to start out with and get used to a maintenance level of
calories at the beginning? Wouldn't that make it easier to stick with rather
than a very low level of calories, like 1500/day?


doug

On 9/15/04 11:32 AM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

|| Maybe I should clarify. I would add "with reasonable variety and
|| something you can maintain for the rest of your life".

Do you want to lose weight or not? It is possible to have a lot of variety
on a low-cal, low carb diet. Again, as you lower your body weight your
requirement for food decreases. If it doesn't, then you're guaranteed to
regain the weight if you don't offset those calories by exercise.

According to my measurements (I have spreadsheets taken over several weeks,
chopping off the first week) my body seems to use about 12 calories per
pound of weight.

So if I eat 2000 calories per day and keep my currently level of exercise, I
should eventually approach 2000/12 = 167 lb = 75 kg. That would be a BMI for
me of 24.7, which would be in the "normal" weight range.

So what's wrong with that way of thinking?

doug

On 9/15/04 11:42 AM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

||
|| I am wondering now what the deal is.
||
|| I still don't eat large carb portions, as you can imagine from the
|| calories I mentioned above. The reason I avoid them is not because
|| of the carbs but because the "calories per volume" in something like
|| rice just doesn't seem worth it for the satisfaction received. So I
|| seem to be naturally steering away from *large* rice and pasta and
|| other carb portions. For that same reason I haven't eaten any bread.
|| Two slices of toast at 150 calories (with no butter - too caloric!)
|| just doesn't sound filling enough to be worth the calories.
||
|| So maybe that is it? Maybe by counting calories I am just naturally
|| keeping carbs down to a level that is preventing carb cravings?

Sure....if you don't eat much, then your body will use ALL of the stuff you
eat to fuel itself. Then it will turn to fat stores. LC works better for
most (especially those who are IR and T2s) since it levels out BG better.
You would likely be less hungry on LC.

Maybe. But the bottom line is that with LC I tend to drift towards 116-117
kg. That means I also have to count calories. If I have to count calories
*anyway* isn't it easier to just count calories?

By the way, I counted the carbs I ate yesterday. I think it was about 175
grams.

That's still probably 1/3rd - 1/4th or less of what I'd be eating if I were
completely off my diet altogether...

doug

On 9/15/04 11:42 AM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

||
|| I am wondering now what the deal is.
||
|| I still don't eat large carb portions, as you can imagine from the
|| calories I mentioned above. The reason I avoid them is not because
|| of the carbs but because the "calories per volume" in something like
|| rice just doesn't seem worth it for the satisfaction received. So I
|| seem to be naturally steering away from *large* rice and pasta and
|| other carb portions. For that same reason I haven't eaten any bread.
|| Two slices of toast at 150 calories (with no butter - too caloric!)
|| just doesn't sound filling enough to be worth the calories.
||
|| So maybe that is it? Maybe by counting calories I am just naturally
|| keeping carbs down to a level that is preventing carb cravings?

Sure....if you don't eat much, then your body will use ALL of the stuff you
eat to fuel itself. Then it will turn to fat stores. LC works better for
most (especially those who are IR and T2s) since it levels out BG better.
You would likely be less hungry on LC.

Maybe. But the bottom line is that with LC I tend to drift towards 116-117
kg. That means I also have to count calories. If I have to count calories
*anyway* isn't it easier to just count calories?

By the way, I counted the carbs I ate yesterday. I think it was about 175
grams.

That's still probably 1/3rd - 1/4th or less of what I'd be eating if I were
completely off my diet altogether...

doug

On 9/15/04 11:43 AM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| I'll check that out. You dip the strips into your blood or something
|| like that? ugh!
||

We've discussed this in the past, haven't we? I thought I volunteered to
buy some strips and send them to you. Then, as I recall, you said you had a
sister who could do that. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

I don't recall that. Thanks for the offer though. I do have a sister who
could buy it for me, so you may be right!

doug