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Learning How To Get Back On Track
After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to maintain your weight loss long-term! What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more. Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat. Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the same cravings. Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you are prepared to survive "accidents". For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs. 1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around 60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these two pounds to go away. 2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen. 3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half after hitting the "low carb limit". 4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes |
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Jenny wrote:
After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to maintain your weight loss long-term! What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more. Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat. Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the same cravings. Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you are prepared to survive "accidents". For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs. 1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around 60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these two pounds to go away. 2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen. 3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half after hitting the "low carb limit". 4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight. -- Jenny What a useful post, Jenny! Other than my Thanksgiving piece of pie, I have not carbed up. I have increased my carbs somewhat just because I am afraid to be stuck at such a low level. I keep thinking I will actually eat a carby meal someday, but that day comes and goes with me too frightened to do it. This is a demon I have to face sometime. I need to do it and and see that I can then go right back to eating LC. I think for me the planning is essential.... Will that be enough though? I guess I'll never know unless I do it.... Maybe while my daughter is on vacation, we can go have some dim sum. -- Jean B. |
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Great post! I have had similar experiences also. On the rare occasion that
I have a few beers, I will gain 2lbs the next day and it takes 2 - 3 days for it to come off. Last week I had a bad experience with Christmas cookies. Obviously my blood sugar level went up, but the crash afterward is what sent me for a "loop". I was cranky, curt, and downright miserable. Then I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. No cookies for me!! I occasionally eat pizza (crust and all) and don't have any adverse effects, as long as I plan for it throughout the day. I don't gain any weight on the pizza, but I also don't lose any for a # of days. Just part of the science experiment we call life : ) "Jenny" wrote in message ... After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to maintain your weight loss long-term! What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more. Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat. Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the same cravings. Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you are prepared to survive "accidents". For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs. 1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around 60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these two pounds to go away. 2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen. 3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half after hitting the "low carb limit". 4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes |
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote: After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. Please provide the professional research studies that support this statement. I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that follows is worth reading. |
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Peggy,
Now that I'm maintaining, I've found that I'm happier living with that 2 lbs of water weight on me most of the time and watching calorie intake very carefully. While losing weight, I had to eat less carbs. I too find that Pizza works for me as long as I a) don't eat more than 2/3 of the crust and b) hit the gym. My gym happens to be down the street from the best pizza place in the area (Antonio's in Greenfield, MA for anyone who cares.) So the deal is that if I do an hour work out, I get to have a slice of cheese. The common wisdom on the Diabetes group is that the high fat content in the pizza slows down the carb metabolism. However, the carbs do get metabolised, so it is important to count them into your daily number. I estimate 20 grams for the slice with 2/3s of the crust eaten. This is a very thin crust pizza. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Peggy S." wrote in message ... Great post! I have had similar experiences also. On the rare occasion that I have a few beers, I will gain 2lbs the next day and it takes 2 - 3 days for it to come off. Last week I had a bad experience with Christmas cookies. Obviously my blood sugar level went up, but the crash afterward is what sent me for a "loop". I was cranky, curt, and downright miserable. Then I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. No cookies for me!! I occasionally eat pizza (crust and all) and don't have any adverse effects, as long as I plan for it throughout the day. I don't gain any weight on the pizza, but I also don't lose any for a # of days. Just part of the science experiment we call life : ) "Jenny" wrote in message ... After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to maintain your weight loss long-term! What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more. Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat. Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the same cravings. Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you are prepared to survive "accidents". For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs. 1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around 60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these two pounds to go away. 2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen. 3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half after hitting the "low carb limit". 4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes |
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Having only low carbed for 9 months you have a lot to learn. Try using the
Google Advanced Groups search on this newsgroup and the word "regained". Many of the people who have posted here about major regains were dedicated low carbers who stuck with the diet longer than you have. There are very few "research studies" about ultra low carb diets. The recent one that pitted an Atkins diet against Ornish, Weight Watchers, and the Zone found that 1/2 of those on the diet were not able to stick to it over a year. The WW dieters lost less weight but had a greater percentage of people staying on the diet. Staying on the diet is the single biggest difficulty with low carbing. Especially since when you do go off it the weight comes back extremely intensely as you've taught your body to be extremely frugal with carbs. Until you've done this for a couple years, it's worth keeping an open mind. It's also worth remembering that none of the examples in Atkins' books were from people who had been on the diet for many years. He only cited people in the early stages of the diet. I always wondered why no one noticed that--or that the examples were the same in all the books. . . . -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "PJx" wrote in message ... On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny" wrote: After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. Please provide the professional research studies that support this statement. I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that follows is worth reading. |
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I understand what Jenny is suggesting but I am a yo-yo girl no matter what I
have tried. Low fat, low cal, small portions more exercise, slim for life, WW, prescription diet drugs, I have always gained back and a few more thus getting me to my heaviest ever. Sometimes I denied myself everything I loved other times I allowed for small rewards to avoid the binges. Neither way has been successful. There always came a time where I had a bad day, turned into a bad week, then I gave up. Since I started LC a couple of months ago, I posted of the first holiday party of the season. I thought I ate well, enjoyed one pudding/Oreo dessert and a few drinks. The next day I was up 2 lbs and it took me over a week to shed it (not the 3 days that it takes Jenny). It was disheartening, frustrating, and a good lesson early in the holiday season. So now when I think about planning a carb up, I think about the week I lost trying to lose pounds I already lost once. Time is very precious to me and I have already spent years re-losing weight. It wasn't worth the drinks and dessert. I have found other tasty desserts that are much lower in carbs and still enjoyed all of my holiday parties without having to "work off" the damage done. I really don't feel like I am missing out on all of the "good holiday food" - my god the last 20 years I have eaten enough of it to last me the next 20 years. Its only food - the stuff we should be putting into our bodies to help us live. We should eat to live not live to eat! Enough, off my soap box. Have a great holiday and spend time with the things that bring joy to your life. For me it is family and friends, not food. -- Melisa 203/178.5/140 "Jenny" wrote in message ... After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an important learning experience. After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to maintain your weight loss long-term! What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more. Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat. Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the same cravings. Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you are prepared to survive "accidents". For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs. 1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around 60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these two pounds to go away. 2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen. 3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half after hitting the "low carb limit". 4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes |
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"PJx" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny" | wrote: | After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs | after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it | is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to | be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. | | I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that | follows is worth reading. | PJx, You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck up your ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's the self-righteous that fall the hardest. Peter |
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"marengo" marengo(at)helink.net wrote in message
... "PJx" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny" | wrote: | After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs | after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it | is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to | be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. | | I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that | follows is worth reading. | PJx, You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck up your ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's the self-righteous that fall the hardest. Peter But they'll never fall as hard as the French. |
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marengo wrote:
:: "PJx" wrote in message :: ... ::: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny" ::: wrote: :: :::: After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 :::: - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become :::: clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the :::: diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the :::: disasterous binge/quit/regain trap. ::: ::: I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that ::: follows is worth reading. ::: :: PJx, :: :: You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck :: up your ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's :: the self-righteous that fall the hardest. You can say that again....Jenny is absolutely right, imo. |
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