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Old December 16th, 2007, 04:22 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 15, 3:49 pm, "
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You wrote: "I like food so much, that I just had to figure out a way

to eat a lot of food, and yet stay healthy,"

EXACTLY my situation! I'm obsessed with food. I would eat pizza, KFC,
cookies, bagels, cakes all day every day. If you told me I have only a
month to live, I would pig out all day.

I've started buying large quantities of vegetables. I have to find a
way to eat all that. I've just finished another big salad with red
leaf, cucumber, one tomatoe, dried parsley, onion, black pepper and
salt. Very low calorie meal and very water-dense, with lots of
vitamines and minerals. After that, I steamed brocoli. Later on, I'll
cook a steak.

I'm very happy to hear about your success. Do you take any supplements
like vitamins or minerals? Do you think having minerals off multi-
vitamins has the same effect as having minerals off food?


I don't take any vitamins or supplements. I get lots of all the
vitamins and minerals and far as I know I'm healthy. I toyed with
taking Omega-3, but there's a fair amount in oats, so I don't take
any. I hear lots of claims for this or that vitamin, mineral,
supplement, combination, but except for the Omega 3, there doesn't
seem to be much science behind it. I pretty much follow Dean Ornish's
advice, except he does recommend the Omega 3. I certainly eat low
fat...about 10% of my diet, no more than that.

I'm with you. I could really eat all day. In fact, when I was fat, I
could easily eat a dozen donuts and a quart of milk. I did this
numerous time when I would drive through Martinsville, Indiana on my
way back to Bloomington for college. The thing was, they always had
still warm, fresh out of the cooker glazed donuts when I would pass
through on Sunday eve. I must have done that 30 times.....while
driving, or an entire box of chocolate cherries while returning with
diet soda from the grocery. I'm sure I could eat 6 Big Macs. I have
eaten an entire medium pepperoni pizza on several occasions too, and
an entire gallon of Bluebell homemade vanilla with strawberries ice
cream. The ice cream would be what, about 5,000 calories? Then I would
get home and look for something else to eat. In a way, since I was
never really satisfied and really never starved, it was a little
easier for me to just ignore my desires for food, since obviously I
can't trust my appetite to tell me when or what to eat. For me it is
probably like an alcoholic who really can't take that first drink
again cause it will cause him to blow it. I never ever overeat. I get
to exactly my 2,000 calories and I stop eating. My weight stays almost
exactly the same too. I too am obsessed with food. I watch the food
channel quite a bit and my favorite episode is where they show the 10
best places in America to pig out. I was thinking the whole time that
I could out-eat any of those people they showed. A lot of places would
serve huge pizza or some grotesque cheeseburger with 8 pounds of
fries....stuff like that. Oh ya, one was pancakes...giant stacks and
ice cream. The premise to most was that you paid a price for the food,
but if you could eat it all, it was free. The other program that I
have watched a couple of times either on the Food network or the
history channel were the history of chocolate and candy in America. I
never was a big meat eater, but sweets are a different matter. The
program where they have pie bakeoffs are also great. Man, I could eat
an entire pecan pie or cherry pie...warm with vanilla ice cream, or 2
doz. chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven with lots of ice
cold milk. Yet, the heaviest I ever was, was 250. I see a lot of
people much heavier than that, so I know they must be consuming 6,000
calories + a day. I would much rather dwell and fixate and fantasize
about food now than actually eat it, cause I refuse to ever get fat
again. dkw
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Old December 16th, 2007, 04:41 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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This post was very amusing. Now the word pizza is echoing in my
brain... I imagine hearing a thousand of crying men screaming and
demanding pizza... "Pizza! Pizza! Pizza!".

I remember those days when as a teenager I lived at my parents'. Any
food I wanted, I could have it. We had three flavours of ice cream,
lots of soda, pies, etc. At one point I moved out and stayed
unemployed for a few months. When I came back home, people asked me
how I lost weight. I told them, "Now *I* pay for the food."

Whatever, I'm on my way to a better me. I'm putting as much veggies in
my mouth as I can at every meal.

Mike
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Old December 16th, 2007, 09:48 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:41:49 -0800 (PST), "
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Whatever, I'm on my way to a better me. I'm putting as much veggies in
my mouth as I can at every meal.


I've been following with thread with some interest. If it wasn't for
my liking vegetables, I'd still be a real porker as opposed to just a
moderate porker. When I get hungry, I have to reach for a can of
veggies, or a package of frozen veggies. Without them, I wouldn't be
able to control the urge to eat all the bad foods I've given up over
the last 15 months. Luckily, I love most veggies, so it's not a
problem. I just have to stay away from sauces to put on them. Oooh,
lookie... the wife just brought home a head of cauliflower. Hey hun,
lemme put that away for ya. ::evil grin::

--
Zilbandy 602/359/250ish

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Old December 16th, 2007, 04:39 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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wrote in message
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I inadvertantly discovered something when I was dieting. Although I
managed to lose down to a very slim and trim 136 pounds which is right
where I should be, but I learned how to control hunger. The secret?
Fiber. Fiber has to be eased in to though. You can't comfortably start
eating 500% of the minimum recommended fiber without suffering
bloating, etc. But you can build up to it very easily.

The advantage of fiber is very simple: It is filling, yet has NO
calories. In fact, that is the definition of fiber. It cannot be
digested by humans. Even though a deer or a cow would find calories in
certain human dietary fiber, we cannot, so it is free food in that
regard. Almost all foods that are high fiber are also low calorie.
Green beans are loaded with fiber...25% of your daily minimum in one
can, and only 70 calories. The calories come from the protein and
carbs. Oh yes, one point. When you buy metamucil or other fibers in a
drugstore or supermarket, there are calories listed. Why? Well, it
isn't pure fiber. There are sweetners, carbs, protein and fat along
for the ride....but when a label lists fiber, those grams of product
have 0 calories.

Besides high fiber, it also helps a lot to drink lots of water. Tea,
diet soda, etc. work as well, but the caffeine might be a problem.

I presently eat about 500% of the daily recommended min. fiber
recommendation and I simply do not get hungry.

Here is a short list of high-fiber foods...some plain, some processed,
but all very high fiber (for the calories). Lots of vegetables like
celery do not seem to be high-fiber, until you determine the fiber as
a percentage of calories. Then celery jumps way up. You get most of
the fiber from whole grains like puffed wheat, oatmeal, and products
like Fiber One (original) where a half cup has 57% of the min. fiber
recommendation and only 60 calories. All vegetables are good, but
broccoli and cauliflower are very good and green beans are the most
concentrated fiber (for the calories). Basically you can eat like a
gorilla if you eat those low cal, high fiber veggies, but you will
stay as slim and trim as a mink. Every dieter should consider this
option, unless you are satisfied eating very small amounts of high-
fat, high calorie foods, and still manage to ward off the hunger and
constipation that would likely result. dkw


How long have you been using this regimen?

Oh, and BTW, a high fat diet does not produce constipation. There are some
reports of those who tried to do high protein low fat and low carb at the
same time who had constipation problems.

The reason I was wondering how long you used very high fiber is that my info
has been that the body recognizes the caloric value of food after several
weeks. In such a case I would expect that one would tend to eat increasing
volumes of the fiber dense foods over time.

The Paleo diet folk believe greenbeans to be unhealthy.



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Old December 16th, 2007, 04:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On 16 déc, 04:48, Zilbandy wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:41:49 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:
Whatever, I'm on my way to a better me. I'm putting as much veggies in
my mouth as I can at every meal.


I've been following with thread with some interest. If it wasn't for
my liking vegetables, I'd still be a real porker as opposed to just a
moderate porker. When I get hungry, I have to reach for a can of
veggies, or a package of frozen veggies. Without them, I wouldn't be
able to control the urge to eat all the bad foods I've given up over
the last 15 months. Luckily, I love most veggies, so it's not a
problem. I just have to stay away from sauces to put on them. Oooh,
lookie... the wife just brought home a head of cauliflower. Hey hun,
lemme put that away for ya. ::evil grin::

--
Zilbandy 602/359/250ish

--
Zilbandy


Wow! From 602 to 250, that's amazing!

I put salt, black pepper and dried parsley on the veggies. They make
them taste better and they have no calories.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 05:23 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 16, 3:48 am, Zilbandy wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:41:49 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:
Whatever, I'm on my way to a better me. I'm putting as much veggies in
my mouth as I can at every meal.


I've been following with thread with some interest. If it wasn't for
my liking vegetables, I'd still be a real porker as opposed to just a
moderate porker. When I get hungry, I have to reach for a can of
veggies, or a package of frozen veggies. Without them, I wouldn't be
able to control the urge to eat all the bad foods I've given up over
the last 15 months. Luckily, I love most veggies, so it's not a
problem. I just have to stay away from sauces to put on them. Oooh,
lookie... the wife just brought home a head of cauliflower. Hey hun,
lemme put that away for ya. ::evil grin::

--
Zilbandy 602/359/250ish


602 to 359? I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

Neil
385/260/220


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Old December 17th, 2007, 02:35 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 16, 7:39 am, "Cubit" wrote:
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I inadvertantly discovered something when I was dieting. Although I
managed to lose down to a very slim and trim 136 pounds which is right
where I should be, but I learned how to control hunger. The secret?
Fiber. Fiber has to be eased in to though. You can't comfortably start
eating 500% of the minimum recommended fiber without suffering
bloating, etc. But you can build up to it very easily.


The advantage of fiber is very simple: It is filling, yet has NO
calories. In fact, that is the definition of fiber. It cannot be
digested by humans. Even though a deer or a cow would find calories in
certain human dietary fiber, we cannot, so it is free food in that
regard. Almost all foods that are high fiber are also low calorie.
Green beans are loaded with fiber...25% of your daily minimum in one
can, and only 70 calories. The calories come from the protein and
carbs. Oh yes, one point. When you buy metamucil or other fibers in a
drugstore or supermarket, there are calories listed. Why? Well, it
isn't pure fiber. There are sweetners, carbs, protein and fat along
for the ride....but when a label lists fiber, those grams of product
have 0 calories.


Besides high fiber, it also helps a lot to drink lots of water. Tea,
diet soda, etc. work as well, but the caffeine might be a problem.


I presently eat about 500% of the daily recommended min. fiber
recommendation and I simply do not get hungry.


Here is a short list of high-fiber foods...some plain, some processed,
but all very high fiber (for the calories). Lots of vegetables like
celery do not seem to be high-fiber, until you determine the fiber as
a percentage of calories. Then celery jumps way up. You get most of
the fiber from whole grains like puffed wheat, oatmeal, and products
like Fiber One (original) where a half cup has 57% of the min. fiber
recommendation and only 60 calories. All vegetables are good, but
broccoli and cauliflower are very good and green beans are the most
concentrated fiber (for the calories). Basically you can eat like a
gorilla if you eat those low cal, high fiber veggies, but you will
stay as slim and trim as a mink. Every dieter should consider this
option, unless you are satisfied eating very small amounts of high-
fat, high calorie foods, and still manage to ward off the hunger and
constipation that would likely result. dkw


How long have you been using this regimen?

Oh, and BTW, a high fat diet does not produce constipation. There are some
reports of those who tried to do high protein low fat and low carb at the
same time who had constipation problems.

The reason I was wondering how long you used very high fiber is that my info
has been that the body recognizes the caloric value of food after several
weeks. In such a case I would expect that one would tend to eat increasing
volumes of the fiber dense foods over time.

The Paleo diet folk believe greenbeans to be unhealthy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


No, perhaps high-fat doesn't produce constipation, but if you eat a
lot of fat, then you do not get to eat much of anything else and stay
within your alloted calories, and the lack of bulk including fiber
becomes a problem. In other words, fat has over twice the calories of
carbs and protein, so right away you would be eating less than half as
much food by weight. Next high-fat foods are also low fiber foods. In
fact, meat has no fiber. Fiber comes from vegetables and fruit which
are low-cal overall. I think that is the connection. Now could you
just eat a lot of fat, then eat some fiber and everything be ok with
digestion? I really don't know. Perhaps. Of course the thing that
really causes constipation are calcium (milk and cheese products) and
iron.

I do know you need to ease into high-fiber. I routinely eat 500% of my
daily min. requirement of fiber with no side effects. I do take long
walks with the dog, but she never complains. If someone went from low
fiber to high fiber overnight, they would experience distress though.
I think the problem has to do with the soluble fiber which produces
gas. I assume what happens is that the flora in the gut change somehow
to accomodate this high fiber in a few days, but that's a guess.

I have never heard green beans being bad for a person. I would have to
hear the argument. If they cause you to swell up like a balloon and go
POP, I suppose that could be bad though....sort of like the restaurant
skit from Monty Python....only in his case it was "one thin mint".
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Old December 17th, 2007, 12:25 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:42:30 -0800 (PST), "
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Zilbandy 602/359/250ish

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Wow! From 602 to 250, that's amazing!


Well, 250 is the goal. I'm at 359 now. I've been on a platteau for
about a month. Hopefully, after the holidays, I'll have better luck
avoiding all the holiday treats and get back to eating broccoli.

I put salt, black pepper and dried parsley on the veggies. They make
them taste better and they have no calories.


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Old December 21st, 2007, 01:31 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 21, 3:23 pm, Steph Peters
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" ofhttp://groups.google.comwrote:

I inadvertantly discovered something when I was dieting. Although I
managed to lose down to a very slim and trim 136 pounds which is right
where I should be, but I learned how to control hunger. The secret?
Fiber.


Wasn't fibre ever the basis of a popular diet where you live? One of the
diets that got a lot of publicity in UK in the 80s/90s was Audrey Eyton's F
plan, where the F is for fibre. Her regimen included an apple and orange
per day, two bowls of her recipe for a mixture of dried fruits, bran
breakfast cereals with bran, and eating a target amount of fibre per day.
While I don't do the breakfast mix any more because I never did like it
much, high fibre is the basis of my diet, together with low fat and low
calories I tend to eat a lot of fruit and salad because I can just grab and
eat immediately without cooking, so that they are convenient for keeping me
going during the day at work. I eat vegetables as part of planned meals, so
no more than I did before changing my way of eating; however since I'm a
vegetarian I probably eat a lot more vegetables than many other people.

Steph
238/166/119


Not that I recall, but I sure could have missed The Fiber Diet or
whatever they called it. You know I have looked at fiber supplements
and even bran, metamucil, etc. before, but I was kinda confused about
why there were calories listed for it. If it's fiber there shouldn't
be calories. Then I figured out that it has other stuff in it, so
there will be a few calories in the product. Then the metamucil fiber
was a little confusing because I thought it was a laxative, so I
voided...make that avoided it. What turned me on to fiber was the
Fiber One cereal (original) with only 60 cal per half cup. It's
artificially sweetened with Aspartame. It really tasted good. Then I
noticed the light breads like Nature's Own Light uses fiber to reduce
the calories, so I started to get the picture....I think. Anyway, I
was already eating pretty high fiber BEFORE the Fiber One...of which I
have probably 1.5 cups per day, puffed whole wheat, oatmeal, plus I am
also vegetarian. I'm sure I don't need to actively seek out
fiber...however, what is important to me, being the glutton that I
am...make that reformed glutton, is that I get lots and lots of food.
Voila, fiber. dkw
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 12:23 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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" of http://groups.google.com wrote:
I inadvertantly discovered something when I was dieting. Although I
managed to lose down to a very slim and trim 136 pounds which is right
where I should be, but I learned how to control hunger. The secret?
Fiber.


Wasn't fibre ever the basis of a popular diet where you live? One of the
diets that got a lot of publicity in UK in the 80s/90s was Audrey Eyton's F
plan, where the F is for fibre. Her regimen included an apple and orange
per day, two bowls of her recipe for a mixture of dried fruits, bran
breakfast cereals with bran, and eating a target amount of fibre per day.
While I don't do the breakfast mix any more because I never did like it
much, high fibre is the basis of my diet, together with low fat and low
calories I tend to eat a lot of fruit and salad because I can just grab and
eat immediately without cooking, so that they are convenient for keeping me
going during the day at work. I eat vegetables as part of planned meals, so
no more than I did before changing my way of eating; however since I'm a
vegetarian I probably eat a lot more vegetables than many other people.

Steph
238/166/119
 




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