NYNY update - Joyce

You're right, of course. I confess that on one or two occasions, I've
had to figure out the points for a whole tub. And at the end of a
week, I've had points to spare.

You hit the nail on the head, though, because the issue isn't so much
about the number of points, or going over points. For me, the loss of
control and the self-recrimination that follows are simply not worth
any amount of points. I'd rather be honest about my lack of willpower
and thus avoid those foods that call my name than be honest about
having mindlessly devoured an entire box of cookies in one sitting. I
find it easier to say No to the first bite than to stop once I've
started.

Lest you think I'm a zealot, if they were packaged and sold in single
servings, I'd happily treat myself to one of those on grocery shopping
day.

Prairie Roots

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:32:10 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less
than an ordinary piece of chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning
such loss of control (G)

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Cold. Heavy. And removed from the walkways and alley. Figuring
conservatively, I estimate we got about 3 activity points worth (it
took me an hour to snow blow and shovel).

Prairie Roots

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:29:51 -0800, Fred
wrote:

How's the snow?

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Joyce,
is there a trader close to Joliet?, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! G I think I figured
these out
at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I
also was
out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the
peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I
have
found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right
through
the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at
4AM. G

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce


On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to
the next message, thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near
me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the
Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll have to find a way to cut out some
other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint
variety,
tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is
wonderful! I
hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
(G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce wrote:

LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I
haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my
local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so
had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance
losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning
was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting
here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into
the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

seems to me that you are showing the ultimate restraint, you know yourself
and say that this is what you must do for control, nothing to beat yourself
up for, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd
rather use activity points than Flexpoints.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house
is that after the 1st day or two of being good and eating just one per
day, something flips and I have a hard time controlling the urge to
eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able
to practice restraint... I take the easy way out and just don't allow
them in the house.

Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said
in other posts about competing for time on your new computer, I'd say
those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

Prairie Roots

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:57:33 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! G I think I figured
these out
at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I
also was
out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the
peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I
have
found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right
through
the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at
4AM. G

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce


On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to
the next message, thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near
me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the
Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll have to find a way to cut out some
other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint
variety,
tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is
wonderful! I
hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
(G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce wrote:

LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I
haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my
local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before
so had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance
losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning
was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?
This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a
funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting
here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into
the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

this would make a good thread, what is your weakness, mine is fat things,
cheese, butter, cream cheese, I don't binge but will choose them before
anything else if they are available, Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
...
Yep, that's me. The list of things I don't have in the house is pretty
extensive: Baked goods, chips, frozen treats, candy, anything
considered a snack food rarely makes an appearance on my grocery list.
I must have been dozing when the willpower gene was being handed out.
I just don't have any.

Prairie Roots

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:18:17 -0800, Amber wrote:

I can't keep some snacks in the house either. I do pretty good staying
out of icecream, but any baked goods are deadly, as well as any
chocolate. I even have a hard time w/ things like the cookie dough slim
fast bars. I just don't buy them b/c I can't do it.

Amber

Prairie Roots wrote:
Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd
rather use activity points than Flexpoints.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house
is that after the 1st day or two of being good and eating just one per
day, something flips and I have a hard time controlling the urge to
eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able
to practice restraint... I take the easy way out and just don't allow
them in the house.

Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said
in other posts about competing for time on your new computer, I'd say
those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

Prairie Roots

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:57:33 -0600, Joyce wrote:


Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! G I think I figured
these out
at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I
also was
out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ...
the
peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked.
I have
found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right
through
the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at
4AM. G

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce


On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:


Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to
the next message, thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near
me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the
Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll have to find a way to cut out some
other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce wrote:


Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint
variety,
tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is
wonderful! I
hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred
wrote:


Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find
those
(G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce wrote:


LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days.
I haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my
local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before
so had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred
wrote:


You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:


Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:


Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance
losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:


I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group
.... down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ...
I'm averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?
This week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a
funk - just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting
here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back
into the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

fudge bars??? you could have kept that to yourself, Lee wg
Laura wrote in message
...
I just discovered their Fudge bars. Dangerous habit.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I
haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my
local
store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so
had
to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance
losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...
down
1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was
lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within
reason.
A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching
things
just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking
enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses.
I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything.
Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here,
I
hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the
old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise
is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Not a zealot just knowledgeable about your weaknesses. I've got to
accept mine and stop buying so much WHATEVER and having it around. So
far I'm doing well with the chocolate cake stored in the back of the
freezer. But the tons of dried fruit and miss meringues are just out
there - I need a larger pantry system here.

And yesterday, I discovered Fry's Electronic has Miss Meringues (sigh)
and managed to down most of a tub between lunch time and the drive
home. KNOW THY WEAKNESSES!

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:46:49 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

You're right, of course. I confess that on one or two occasions, I've
had to figure out the points for a whole tub. And at the end of a
week, I've had points to spare.

You hit the nail on the head, though, because the issue isn't so much
about the number of points, or going over points. For me, the loss of
control and the self-recrimination that follows are simply not worth
any amount of points. I'd rather be honest about my lack of willpower
and thus avoid those foods that call my name than be honest about
having mindlessly devoured an entire box of cookies in one sitting. I
find it easier to say No to the first bite than to stop once I've
started.

Lest you think I'm a zealot, if they were packaged and sold in single
servings, I'd happily treat myself to one of those on grocery shopping
day.

Prairie Roots

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:32:10 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less
than an ordinary piece of chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning
such loss of control (G)

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Well, it, hopefully, will add to your string of losses. We are back
to rain in the lowlands and snow UP in the mountains. Should be a
good weekend except for those who travel to family over the mountains
for Thanksgiving. Skiers, me, too, are in heaven (G)

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:07 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

Cold. Heavy. And removed from the walkways and alley. Figuring
conservatively, I estimate we got about 3 activity points worth (it
took me an hour to snow blow and shovel).

Prairie Roots

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:29:51 -0800, Fred
wrote:

How's the snow?

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

According to their website, it doesn't look like it. Illinois locations listed
a

Arlington Heights
Batavia
Chicago
Downers Grove
Glen Ellyn
Glenview
LaGrange
Lake Zurich
Naperville
Northbrook
Orland Park

Most all appear to be more in the *suburban Chicago* local.

Joyce


On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:19:21 GMT, "Miss Violette" wrote:

Joyce,
is there a trader close to Joliet?, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! G I think I figured
these out
at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I
also was
out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the
peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I
have
found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right
through
the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at
4AM. G

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce


On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to
the next message, thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near
me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the
Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll have to find a way to cut out some
other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint
variety,
tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is
wonderful! I
hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.

Joyce

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
(G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce wrote:

LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I
haven't had
many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my
local store
had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so
had to pick
a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. g

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance
losing
group!

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...
down 1 pound
this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning
was lower, and
much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
averaging, and
average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.

Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within
reason. A few
weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching
things just a bit
too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not
drinking enough water.
Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This
week I only
managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no
excuses. I had one or
two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk -
just couldn't
drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
everything. Today I
took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting
here, I hauled my
butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into
the old routine.
If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
exercise is! I have
felt great the rest of today.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 130
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:50:28 -0800, Fred wrote:

Not a zealot just knowledgeable about your weaknesses. I've got to
accept mine and stop buying so much WHATEVER and having it around. So
far I'm doing well with the chocolate cake stored in the back of the
freezer. But the tons of dried fruit and miss meringues are just out
there - I need a larger pantry system here.

And yesterday, I discovered Fry's Electronic has Miss Meringues (sigh)
and managed to down most of a tub between lunch time and the drive
home. KNOW THY WEAKNESSES!

.... and today I found my grocer loaded up on mini meringues, no larger sizes
available at all (wonder if this is now the best selling option). Of course,
among those mini's were 2 new flavors I had never seen before ... chocolate chip
and mint chocolate chip. I couldn't resist. sigh

Joyce



On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:46:49 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

You're right, of course. I confess that on one or two occasions, I've
had to figure out the points for a whole tub. And at the end of a
week, I've had points to spare.

You hit the nail on the head, though, because the issue isn't so much
about the number of points, or going over points. For me, the loss of
control and the self-recrimination that follows are simply not worth
any amount of points. I'd rather be honest about my lack of willpower
and thus avoid those foods that call my name than be honest about
having mindlessly devoured an entire box of cookies in one sitting. I
find it easier to say No to the first bite than to stop once I've
started.

Lest you think I'm a zealot, if they were packaged and sold in single
servings, I'd happily treat myself to one of those on grocery shopping
day.

Prairie Roots

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:32:10 -0800, Fred
wrote:

You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less
than an ordinary piece of chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning
such loss of control (G)

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003