Low Carb vs. HGbA1c

On 5-Mar-2004, "Julie Bove" wrote:

Nominate myself? Not eligible. I, like a number of others in
ASDLC, am a lowcarbing diabetic. There's no evidence that low
carbing
harms healthy kidneys.
Staying within a tightly controlled BG range is the best way to
avoid diabetic complications such as kidney disease. Some of us
find
low carbing and exercise effective tools for doing so while
avoiding
medication. We speak from experience.

Who said that low carbing harmed kidneys? I didn't see that posted.

Gman implied it.

This whole sniping thread came about because someone (now I forget
who it
was) said that low carbers needed to forget about the kidney
function
tests.

No, the whole thread came about because people objected to Gman's
implication that lowcarbing was a reason for having kidney function
tests done. Being *diabetic* is the reason for having kidney function
tests done, just as it is why I have my 'a1c and eyes tested
regularly. Low carbing is no more likely to cause kidney problems
than lowfat is.

These tests are vital for diabetics regardless of our diet because
diabetics in general are more prone to having kidney problems.

Exactly. Gman implied otherwise.

Carmen

gman99 wrote:

Twenty a day is VERY difficult to maintain, make sure you
have your
kidneys checked regularly !!

You buy into so much nonsense at times. Want a bridge?

gman99 wrote:
This kidney stuff simply must stop. After two yearly
physicals, my
kidneys are fine (better, in fact, then when I was on low
fat and had
high readings). There is no basis in fact for kidneys
going bad due
to low carb. It's a myth. See the following:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=207

Kidney disease IS prevelant in diabetics....and must be
monitored !!

Prevalent when bg's are higher than they should be. Bring
the bg's under control and in most instances kidney function
will return to normal, regardless of the amount of protein
one ingests.

gman99 wrote:

Low carbing typically means that
they make up the calories with a combination of FAT and
PROTEIN.
Diabetics are at HIGHER risk of kidney
disease...therefore, one on a
low carb diet better make sure their kidney function is
good and
stays good.

So what part of being a diabetic do YOU think causes kidney
disease?

Roger Zoul wrote:

There is a widely held erroneous belief that LCing is bad
on the
kidneys.

And a wildly erroneous belief that Low carbing means high
proteining (new word

The ratio of protein to carbs may be higher but as in people
like me, my protein levels are probably way less than what
the nay sayers actually eat.

Bob in CT wrote:
This kidney stuff simply must stop. After two yearly physicals, my
kidneys are fine (better, in fact, then when I was on low fat and had
high readings). There is no basis in fact for kidneys going bad due to
low carb. It's a myth.

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Amen to that, brother. I have had renal failure twice in my adult life
(the last time was in May '02) and my kidneys are doing just fine with
this WOE. (and Dr. agrees)
It's just a bunch of bunk! IMHO, of course.
Marty

"Carmen" wrote in message
...

Nominate myself? Not eligible. I, like a number of others in ASDLC,
am a lowcarbing diabetic. There's no evidence that low carbing harms
healthy kidneys.

Well, it looks like I'll be joining the group. :-( I've just faced a
diagnosis of diabetes. Today I had a meeting a "diabetes educator" nurse and
a follow-up with the doctor. I was very encouraged by what they said, as
both were very supportive of the low carb lifestyle. The doctor even said
that my higher blood sugar reading is a wake-up call that my body can no
longer tolerate carbs as well as it did in the best.

The diabetes nurse recommended a diet of about 100g of carbs a day. That is
higher that what I've been aiming for, but certainly lower than the standard
diet. My doctor does want me to lose weight, and starting talking about
enrolling me in one of these 500-calorie-a-day liquid diets run by a local
hospital, but I persuaded her that I was having success with LC and wanted
to continue with that for now, and she agreed that that would be fine for me
to do.

Debbie

Hi Debbie,
On 5-Mar-2004, "Debbie Cusick" wrote:

Nominate myself? Not eligible. I, like a number of others in
ASDLC, am a lowcarbing diabetic. There's no evidence that low
carbing
harms healthy kidneys.

Well, it looks like I'll be joining the group. :-( I've just faced
a diagnosis of diabetes. Today I had a meeting a "diabetes educator"
nurse and a follow-up with the doctor. I was very encouraged by what
they
said, as both were very supportive of the low carb lifestyle. The
doctor even
said that my higher blood sugar reading is a wake-up call that my
body
can no longer tolerate carbs as well as it did in the best.

Well damn. I'm sorry you've joined the club.

The diabetes nurse recommended a diet of about 100g of carbs a day.
That is higher that what I've been aiming for, but certainly lower
than the
standard diet. My doctor does want me to lose weight, and starting
talking
about enrolling me in one of these 500-calorie-a-day liquid diets
run by a
local hospital, but I persuaded her that I was having success with
LC and
wanted to continue with that for now, and she agreed that that would
be
fine for me to do.

Hopefully you can use the diagnosis as an added impetus to eat and
exercise to your BG's advantage. I know you've been plugging away at
LC for a long time, and your health care team's attitude and
willingness to work with you should make it easier to keep the
diabetes under control.
Again, I'm sorry. That sucks, but it's not the end of the world. :-)

Take care,
Carmen

Bob in CT wrote in message ...
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:55:12 -0500, Roger Zoul
wrote:

gman99 wrote:
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:: Twenty a day is VERY difficult to maintain, make sure you have your
:: kidneys checked regularly !!

Obviously, you know little if anything about LCing.



This kidney stuff simply must stop. After two yearly physicals, my
kidneys are fine (better, in fact, then when I was on low fat and had high
readings). There is no basis in fact for kidneys going bad due to low
carb. It's a myth. See the following:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=207

Hear! Hear! I had a kidney transplant and have been low carbing for a
year and a half to control insulin resistance issues caused by my
anti-rejection meds and have also seen significant improvement in
kidney function (its checked every month).

If your kidneys are healthy, low carb is terrific!

Best,

Mary Sue

gman9 wrote:

If it works for you...but don't attribute it to low carb...

Whatever. Reducing carb intake doesn't reduce level of carbs in the
blood long term. Right. You should see my bridge. It's for lease.
I take finance payments. Low down payment.

Twenty a day is VERY difficult to maintain

Unless you actually try it anyways. Then it turns out to be trivial.

make sure you have your kidneys checked regularly !!

The one single easiest flag of cluelessness. Name even one name.
The AMA couldn't in 30 years of trying so I'll bet the first month's
rent on my bridge that you can't come up with even one name of
anyone who followed the directions and saw kidney damage.