Obesity is an illness, says government

Both funded by taxpayers, both given to people based on financial
eligibility,

pretty much every gvt. program is funded by the taxpayers ... it doesn't make
it the same thing.

both targeted for the purpose of buying food. You're
really objecting to my calling the food vouchers issued to people on
welfare "food stamps"? Is that really the basis for your argument?

In part.

The point is, poor people received a financial benefit for doing an
action that wasn't in their best interest and the financial payoff (in
the form of food subisides whatever you want to call them) contributed
to the decrease in poor people breastfeeding their children.

I would really like to see the stats on this.

Given the choice of doing something
low-cost that's good for you but for which you receive no money,

Wic doesn't give out money.


~Kat


"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

Jarkat2002 wrote:

Both funded by taxpayers, both given to people based on financial
eligibility,


pretty much every gvt. program is funded by the taxpayers ... it doesn't make
it the same thing.


both targeted for the purpose of buying food. You're
really objecting to my calling the food vouchers issued to people on
welfare "food stamps"? Is that really the basis for your argument?


In part.

What's going on with you? I'm hitting a sore spot and I don't know why.

The point is, poor people received a financial benefit for doing an
action that wasn't in their best interest and the financial payoff (in
the form of food subisides whatever you want to call them) contributed
to the decrease in poor people breastfeeding their children.


I would really like to see the stats on this.

I'd start with the La Leche League. You could also check the archives
at Mothering Magazine. I think this is where I read an expose on this.
I also have been reading Nutrition Action Newsletter for 15 years, so
it might have come from there.

I also recall having a conversation with a room-mate when I was in the
hospital recovering from a c-section. She had absolutely no intentions
of breast-feeding and I recall her saying that she didn't have to buy
any of the formula and it was pretty clear she considered that a
signficant issue in why she would bottle-feed.

Given the choice of doing something
low-cost that's good for you but for which you receive no money,


Wic doesn't give out money.

They give out vouchers good for $10 cannisters of formula. It's getting
something for nothing. (Fact is, they *do* give an increased food
allottment to women who breastfeed, so it isn't quite as cut and dried
as "something" versus "nothing", but the value of the formula is greater
than the value of the groceries.)

(BTW, powdered formula is no longer kept on the grocery shelves, but is
locked up in the pharmacy area. Apparently drug dealers use it in some
way in the distribution of drugs and the cannisters were being stolen
and put to diabolical purposes. It makes one wonder how many babies
lose their formula to the drug trade.)

I didn't really mean this to be a discussion of breastfeeding, but
rather a discussion about how financial incentives work to make people
make questionable choices about their lives. I guarantee you that poor
fat people on medicaid will be lining up for bariatric surgery the
second it becomes allowable - people who could be dieting and exercising
at this very moment but are NOT because no one is handing that out for free.

Dally

Jarkat2002 wrote:

Both funded by taxpayers, both given to people based on financial
eligibility,


pretty much every gvt. program is funded by the taxpayers ... it doesn't make
it the same thing.


both targeted for the purpose of buying food. You're
really objecting to my calling the food vouchers issued to people on
welfare "food stamps"? Is that really the basis for your argument?


In part.

What's going on with you? I'm hitting a sore spot and I don't know why.

The point is, poor people received a financial benefit for doing an
action that wasn't in their best interest and the financial payoff (in
the form of food subisides whatever you want to call them) contributed
to the decrease in poor people breastfeeding their children.


I would really like to see the stats on this.

I'd start with the La Leche League. You could also check the archives
at Mothering Magazine. I think this is where I read an expose on this.
I also have been reading Nutrition Action Newsletter for 15 years, so
it might have come from there.

I also recall having a conversation with a room-mate when I was in the
hospital recovering from a c-section. She had absolutely no intentions
of breast-feeding and I recall her saying that she didn't have to buy
any of the formula and it was pretty clear she considered that a
signficant issue in why she would bottle-feed.

Given the choice of doing something
low-cost that's good for you but for which you receive no money,


Wic doesn't give out money.

They give out vouchers good for $10 cannisters of formula. It's getting
something for nothing. (Fact is, they *do* give an increased food
allottment to women who breastfeed, so it isn't quite as cut and dried
as "something" versus "nothing", but the value of the formula is greater
than the value of the groceries.)

(BTW, powdered formula is no longer kept on the grocery shelves, but is
locked up in the pharmacy area. Apparently drug dealers use it in some
way in the distribution of drugs and the cannisters were being stolen
and put to diabolical purposes. It makes one wonder how many babies
lose their formula to the drug trade.)

I didn't really mean this to be a discussion of breastfeeding, but
rather a discussion about how financial incentives work to make people
make questionable choices about their lives. I guarantee you that poor
fat people on medicaid will be lining up for bariatric surgery the
second it becomes allowable - people who could be dieting and exercising
at this very moment but are NOT because no one is handing that out for free.

Dally

What's going on with you? I'm hitting a sore spot and I don't know why.

It's the sweeping generalities that bothers me.

I guarantee you that poor
fat people on medicaid will be lining up for bariatric surgery the
second it becomes allowable - people who could be dieting and exercising
at this very moment but are NOT because no one is handing that out for free.

Dally


I don't know what the poor fat people will be doing ... I'm sure that some will
make good choices and some will not. Pretty much like the rest of the human
race.
If they do decide to go another route than you or I have chosen and get to a
healthy weight, feel better about themselves, become socially acceptable and
employable ... seems like that would be a good thing and cheaper in the long
run.


~Kat


"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

What's going on with you? I'm hitting a sore spot and I don't know why.

It's the sweeping generalities that bothers me.

I guarantee you that poor
fat people on medicaid will be lining up for bariatric surgery the
second it becomes allowable - people who could be dieting and exercising
at this very moment but are NOT because no one is handing that out for free.

Dally


I don't know what the poor fat people will be doing ... I'm sure that some will
make good choices and some will not. Pretty much like the rest of the human
race.
If they do decide to go another route than you or I have chosen and get to a
healthy weight, feel better about themselves, become socially acceptable and
employable ... seems like that would be a good thing and cheaper in the long
run.


~Kat


"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

Crossposting removed:

One dark day on Usenet, Ignoramus22273
said:
Medicare Scraps Old Policy on Obesity

Thu Jul 15,11:15 PM ET
Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo!

By ELIZABETH WOLFE, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Medicare is discarding its policy that obesity is not a
disease, potentially throwing open the door for millions of overweight
Americans to make medical claims for treatments such as stomach
surgery and diet programs.

Well, that's both bad and good. I'd love to see Medicare funding
nutrition and exercise education...


--
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So everyone here is mentally ill?



You should recognize your mental illness, for being here JC! What a sad
and
lonely person you must be? What in god happened to you that gives you
pleasure in being meanspirited behind your anonymous keyboard? Get up, take
a walk, smell the air, and have a salad. Maybe you'll fall in love and come
to your senses?


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So everyone here is mentally ill?

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In article , Dally
writes
The WIC program offered vouchers specifically for formula for people who were
bottle-feeding infants. (WIC stands for Women Infant Children). They offer food
vouchers with specified lists of foods you can buy with them. I've heard they
offered vouchers for an extra gallon of milk or something for women who were
breast-feeding, but the $ amounts were nowhere near equivalent and it just
showed up as, "If I bottle feed they'll pay for it but I get nothing otherwise."

It's the same in Europe, where there's normally a 'milk allowance';
though you can now apparently use it to buy milk for the family if you
are breastfeeding. But it supported the rise of bottle-feeding, which
is now an ineradicable tradition among poorer women, along with junk
food and fast food. Come to think of it, formula IS fast food and is
part of the fast food mentality.

--
Jane Lumley