need snack suggestion

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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Fred" wrote in message
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Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything
else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of
nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all.

## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done
that.
Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not
much
of
a
dinner. :-(
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But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good
quality you don't need more than that),

## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3
Pts.

A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-)
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I don't measure by grams as I have a ounce scale and measuring cup. I
measure the beef in the cup before cooking and there isn't much left
afterward, even the low fat beef. :-( I would rather use 6 Pts (1cup) and
have a nice filling meal. But, it's whatever works for you. To keep my
metab' going I do snack on fruit at least twice a day, but they're only 1 Pt
each leaving me more pts for lunch and dinner. I only eat about 23 to 24
Pts a day. If I stop losing weight, I'll drop them lower but will get these
last 26 to 30 lbs off. )))
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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"Laura" wrote in message
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Yeah, you have to be careful whose advise we take in this group. Someone
who
is basically at the same weight she was at 2 years ago or those of us
that
have lost 50 to 100 pounds since that time. Gee, gotta wonder.
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And after 2+ YEARS you're still overweight? Where are your stats? I see
you never post them.
Why aren't YOU at goal weight? Too many nuts? :-))) Forget to deduct
high fat snack Pts from other meals?
I love nuts, even raw peanuts, but will save then for when I reach my goal
weight.

Why do you need to be so abusive to people in this newsgroup? Is it because
we don't agree with every bit of crap you send our way??? As I said the
other day, you pulled this crap on us in 2003. You're attitude towards us
was not welcome then and you certainly are headed in the same direction this
time too. We are a support group. We don't bash people. We try and help
them. We make recommendations that people can accept or reject as they
please. You don't see other people attacking every comment made like you do.
If you can't play nice then get the h*ll out of here and leave us alone.

Wanna see my stats? Here they are. Many people don't post their stats with
every message. I don't feel the need to.

I can at least say that I am making progress in the past 2 years while you
can't. I am a slow loser but at least I am losing. That's more than you can
say.

This btw, is the last message that I will post to you or in any thread that
you participate in. I can only hope that others will do the same thing.
--
~Laura~
245.6/177/145 WW 4/21/03
178.6/177/170 INTL

## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by
listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and
more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to
OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a
closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts.

Have you ever read what the federal governemnet advice actually is?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers.

These are the highpoints of the current dietary advice to Americans
http://www.health.gov/dietaryguideli...05/default.htm

"In brief, the Committee's findings support nine major messages:
Consume a variety of foods within and among the basic food groups
while staying within energy needs.
Control calorie intake to manage body weight.
Be physically active every day.
Increase daily intake of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and
nonfat or low-fat milk and milk products.
Choose fats wisely for good health.
Choose carbohydrates wisely for good health.
Choose and prepare foods with little salt.
If you drink alcohol, do so in moderation.
Keep food safe to eat."

The food pyramid is here
http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/pyrabklt.pdf

Both these sources go into a great deal of detail about what you
should eat, and both are particularly insistent that you should
control calories.
If Americans followed the latter advice there would not be so many
overweight Americans.

Ray

--
2002 1.8i eternal red

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-)
=======================
I don't measure by grams as I have a ounce scale and measuring cup. I
measure the beef in the cup before cooking and there isn't much left
afterward, even the low fat beef. :-( I would rather use 6 Pts (1cup)
and
have a nice filling meal. But, it's whatever works for you. To keep my
metab' going I do snack on fruit at least twice a day, but they're only 1
Pt
each leaving me more pts for lunch and dinner. I only eat about 23 to 24
Pts a day. If I stop losing weight, I'll drop them lower but will get
these
last 26 to 30 lbs off. )))

Whichever way you measure it, its still a quarter pound of beef :-)

"Fred" wrote in message
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Clearly, you probably were just eating protein and fats and definitely
not nuts or water or heaven forbid, complex carbs and fruits.

## Wow and here I'm eating all those complex carbs and fruits and and lost 5
lbs! :-))) Looks like you didn't even read my posts....

I notice that she admitted that she was losing a pound a month even
when it was NOT working.

## See,... Memory problems Fred? I was losing less than a lb a month I
said several times. I don't call that great success, especially when it was
costing $40 a month just for the meetings and getting CONTRADICTORY advice
from the two people running the meetings. At $40 for each 3/4 lbs lost -
well you do the math!

Just like her imposition of willpower and
discipline and overnight success for those stupidly obese, that's what
she seeks in weightloss.

## So that's what you secretly think of the obese,... shame on you!

And this formerly obese body may not have run marathons but did hike
up very tall mountains. It happens contrary to POPULAR opinion. And
low-carb left me paralyzed trying to hike, bike or ski - no energy at
all.

## Then it was not for you, just like L.A. Weight loss, WW etc are not for
everyone.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
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"ray miller" wrote in message
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## Which doesn't mean they're right. Look how FAT American's are by
listening to *nutritionists* for the past 25 years. We ate less fats and
more carbs and we're still dying from the same disease - this time due to
OBESITY! According to that NYTImes article last year they're taking a
closer look at the old food pyramid and having second thoughts.

Have you ever read what the federal governemnet advice actually is?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers.

## No one should. But it appears many do!

These are the highpoints of the current dietary advice to Americans
http://www.health.gov/dietaryguideli...05/default.htm
"In brief, the Committee's findings support nine major messages:

Consume a variety of foods within and among the basic food groups
while staying within energy needs.

## This goes without saying.

Control calorie intake to manage body weight.

## We need experts to tell us this?

Be physically active every day.
Increase daily intake of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and
nonfat or low-fat milk and milk products.

## This is nothing new either....

Choose fats wisely for good health.
Choose carbohydrates wisely for good health.
Choose and prepare foods with little salt.
If you drink alcohol, do so in moderation.
Keep food safe to eat."

## This looks like the same old information just rehashed and repackaged.

The food pyramid is here
http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/pyrabklt.pdf

## So what's new about it? It's still showing us a high carb diet - the
SAME diet we can thank for the runaway obesity here in the USA. The rest of
the information is common sense i.e. - eat less - move more!

Both these sources go into a great deal of detail about what you
should eat, and both are particularly insistent that you should
control calories.

## But this is NOTHING new Ray! No matter what diet you're on, from
vegetarian to nearly all meat like the Eskimos, if you consume too many
calories you will get fat!

If Americans followed the latter advice there would not be so many
overweight Americans.

## But for some reason over 65% of people can't or refuse to follow it.
Have you read about the Hispanic population (mainly carb diet) in the Bronx
NY and their abnormally high number of obese people suffering from diabetes?
Even their children are obese and developing adult onset diabetes. Asthma
is also abnormally high in these communities. Someone somewhere needs to
do some serious research on a healthy diet most people will and can
follow....
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 166 / 140 lb
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Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what
thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly
are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with
it. (I've had kidney problems myself)

## If by poisoned you mean *OBESE* than yes, I agree with you.

No, I mean liver disease, kidney stones and cancers.

Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is,

## Where did I claim it was a "great lifestyle?" I said it WORKS for almost
everyone who tried it.

Except you, evidently. Otherwise you've be slim and wouldn't be
bothering us on the WW NG.

but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the
weight-loss stalled after a few months.

## And you keep forgetting that on WW I was losing less than a lb a month
at the time. How come you never mention that, and the fact I dumped 46 lbs
in 5 months on low-carb? And that' with the same thyroid problem!

But you're still overweight, aren't you? So come back and tell us how
great low-carbing is when you've lost the rest. "It stopped working"
isn't really a great advert - kind of hoisted by your own petard,
actually.

P.S. You're not an Eskimo.
--
Anna (in UK)
Start Weight: 174 lbs
Goal Weight: 146 lbs
Current Weight: 165.5 lbs

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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## But for some reason over 65% of people can't or refuse to follow it.
Have you read about the Hispanic population (mainly carb diet) in the
Bronx
NY and their abnormally high number of obese people suffering from
diabetes?
Even their children are obese and developing adult onset diabetes. Asthma
is also abnormally high in these communities. Someone somewhere needs to
do some serious research on a healthy diet most people will and can
follow....

I blame McDonalds

Low carb nauseates me, like on day two. I mean Really nauseating.

Lucky for me I got to goal eating my nuts and fruits. Snort. Ah...

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LESLIE ARNIM
"Fred" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:52:25 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Dang, you think it's the Nuts doing it? Geeze Louise, guess I'll just
have
to stay crazy.

I'd suggest more nuts (G)

But I cannot give up a good snort of water now and then, it cleans the
sinus'. Sinuses.? Sinewa? Well, you know.....

Ah, like the word that I detest - signage - sounds like nasal drip
announcing McDonalds (G)

She does pop up every now and then with all that great advice and wisdom.
I
saw here when I was still morbidly obese. And again while I was just plain
obese, then again while overweight..... Someone is doing well, but I
cannot
figure out who to take advice from.......

Clearly, you probably were just eating protein and fats and definitely
not nuts or water or heaven forbid, complex carbs and fruits.

I notice that she admitted that she was losing a pound a month even
when it was NOT working. Just like her imposition of willpower and
discipline and overnight success for those stupidly obese, that's what
she seeks in weightloss.

And this formerly obese body may not have run marathons but did hike
up very tall mountains. It happens contrary to POPULAR opinion. And
low-carb left me paralyzed trying to hike, bike or ski - no energy at
all.

Lesanne wrote:

Low carb nauseates me, like on day two. I mean Really nauseating.

Lucky for me I got to goal eating my nuts and fruits. Snort. Ah...

Can't do low carb - I get waaaaay too hungry! And I feel woosy on day 2
or 3 too..

Can't do fatty foods. Makes my insides misbehave - badly. Can't do
beef in larger quantities, or lamb.

Can't do red wine.

Oily Fish is OK.

Looks like I should have been Sicilian!

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