If Excess Protein Turns into Fat...

"Ernie Sty" wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 10:00 am, Prisoner at War
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On Aug 25, 11:44 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

Um, uh.

Excess protein becomes glucose. The liver does it.

I've read that excess protein becomes fat. But even if it does become
glucose, well, if it's excess glucose it still becomes fat!

No that is not correct ... the body cannot convert proteins to stored
fat ...

While the body can't convert proteins directly to fat, it can convert them
to carbohydrates, which can then be converted to stored fat.

In fact, it cannot store ingested fat ...

I once saw some "expert" being interviewed and she claimed that by taking
a biopsy of one's bofy fat, they can tell what kinds of fat that person
had been eating. Of course, she could have been wrong. News shows tend
to interview the "experts" who give the most sensational views, without
much regard for accuracy. I believe that fat has to be converted to carbs
and then reconverted to fat.

The body can only
convert and store excess carbohydrates as fat ... not even alcohol ...

Are you sure? Think about it. Alcohol, protein, fat and carbs all have
calories, which means they can be burned by the body for energy. If they
can be burned by the body for energy, that means the energy they contain
can be stored as fat, doesn't it? If not, why not?


From memory, I seem to recall reading in Dr. Taller's 1961 "Calories Don't
Count" that pigs were experimentally fed Omega 6 oil resulting in palpably
soft fat tissue. I think the author hypothesized that softer fat tissue
might be easier to lose in a diet.

While the body can make its own fat, there is reason to believe that dietary
fat does get used to build or rebuild body tissues. This makes trans fats a
serious issue.

On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to create
amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't do that. It
would be possible if we had cells which could do that, but we don't.
Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to aminos, but it happens
outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?

--
Ron

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On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to create
amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't do that. It
would be possible if we had cells which could do that, but we don't.
Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to aminos, but it happens
outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?

--
Ron


I think old Ernie has discovered a new nitrogen rich fat. ;-) I am curious
as to how fat could convert to protein outside of the body too.


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On Dec 12, 12:50 pm, "Rob Schuh" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

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On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to create
amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't do that. It
would be possible if we had cells which could do that, but we don't.
Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to aminos, but it happens
outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?

I think old Ernie has discovered a new nitrogen rich fat. ;-) I am curious
as to how fat could convert to protein outside of the body too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness says:
"Typically, a person who has a high body fat content is at greater
risk of altitude DCS. Due to poor blood supply, nitrogen is stored in
greater amounts in fat tissues. Although fat represents only 15
percent of a normal adult body, it stores over half of the total
amount of nitrogen (about 1 litre) normally dissolved in the body."

So is that fat biologically available?

--
Ron

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Ron Peterson wrote:

On Dec 12, 12:50 pm, "Rob Schuh" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to
create amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't do
that. It would be possible if we had cells which could do that, but
we don't. Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to aminos,
but it happens outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?

I think old Ernie has discovered a new nitrogen rich fat. ;-) I am curious
as to how fat could convert to protein outside of the body too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness says:
"Typically, a person who has a high body fat content is at greater
risk of altitude DCS. Due to poor blood supply, nitrogen is stored in
greater amounts in fat tissues. Although fat represents only 15
percent of a normal adult body, it stores over half of the total
amount of nitrogen (about 1 litre) normally dissolved in the body."

So is that fat biologically available?

You mean that nitrogen, presumably.

The answer is no. Wrong chemical form.

tom

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Ron Peterson wrote:

On Dec 12, 12:50 pm, "Rob Schuh" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to
create amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't
do that. It would be possible if we had cells which could do that,
but we don't. Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to
aminos, but it happens outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?

I think old Ernie has discovered a new nitrogen rich fat. ;-) I am
curious
as to how fat could convert to protein outside of the body too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness says:
"Typically, a person who has a high body fat content is at greater
risk of altitude DCS. Due to poor blood supply, nitrogen is stored in
greater amounts in fat tissues. Although fat represents only 15
percent of a normal adult body, it stores over half of the total
amount of nitrogen (about 1 litre) normally dissolved in the body."

So is that fat biologically available?

You mean that nitrogen, presumably.

The answer is no. Wrong chemical form.

Not if you are a soybean (or other legume)

"Ron Peterson" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 10:05 am, "Ernie Sty" wrote:
"Ron Peterson" wrote in message

Fats don't contain amino acids which are necessary for the body to
synthesize proteins.

I think that fat contains all the necessary elements with which to create
amino acids, however, I agree with you that the body can't do that. It
would be possible if we had cells which could do that, but we don't.
Fortunately, fat does eventually get converted to aminos, but it happens
outside the body of course.

What fatty acids contain nitrogen?

Are you kidding? Several hundred thousand of them! You should have been
fully aware of their existence, though the only placed they ever existed was
in my imagination.

What amino acids don't contain nitrogen?
Ron


In all seriousness, you're right of course, fats don't contain the necessary
elements to build aminos. I was mistaken.