Praise the lard

Simm Webb wrote in message . ..
The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway, let them enjoy the
picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now, or
you will see me later). They won't be singing the same tune after a by pass, or
a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.



You are confused or just ignorant. Try getting some real
information on fat and cholesterol because you are obviously
uninformed.

There is real science behind the belief that fat without high carbs is
harmless, and even essential. The studies that led doctors to denounce fat
were ambiguous. The studies used high carbs and high fat. They assumed
that it was the fat causing trouble, not the carbs, without doing a study to
clarify. This was not science.

These same doctors circumcised me as a baby for "medical reasons." They are
barbarians hiding behind the trappings of science. As an excuse they call
themselves artists.

I don't see anyone laughing.

Cholesterol is a nutrient. If the diet lacks Cholesterol, the body makes
Cholesterol.

"Simm Webb" wrote in message
...
The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway, let them enjoy
the
picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me
now, or
you will see me later). They won't be singing the same tune after a by
pass, or
a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.




On 9 Jun 2004 09:45:36 -0700, (Diarmid Logan)
wrote:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...30jun09,1,5499
275.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl

Praise the lard

The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious amounts of
animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?




Grateful to be back.

Eddie MD OTF

(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...epagenews2-utl

Praise the lard

The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious amounts of
animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

By Monica Eng
Tribune staff reporter
Published June 9, 2004

Vinka Peschak starts each day by knocking back a full cup of heavy
whipping cream.

That's at 8 a.m.

"At around 11 o'clock I take three or four egg yolks and make some
kind of omelet with lard for breakfast," the Portage Park resident
explains. Peschak, a native of Poland, eats her omelet with a cup of
buttery boiled vegetables and a slender piece of almond toast
slathered in more butter or lard.

Dinner is usually a fatty piece of pork or some kind of organ meat
with lard-cooked french fries and more butter-soaked vegetables.

In the middle of the day she might have a cup of coffee, "but only
with a lot of heavy whipping cream in it."

Peschak has been eating like this for more than five years. She is
slim, energetic, and says, "I feel wonderful, never tired and never
hungry."

She is not on Atkins. She is not on South Beach. Peschak, along with
an estimated 2,000 Polish Chicagoans -- and 2 million folks worldwide
-- is on the Optimal Diet, a Polish eating plan that requires the
consumption of prodigious amounts of animal fat -- preferably lard.

The diet was hatched in Poland some 40 years ago by Dr. Jan
Kwasniewski, who started developing it while working as a dietician
for a military sanitarium in Ciechocinek, Poland. There he observed
that many of his patients were sick, "not because of any pathogenic
factors . . . but the result of one underlying cause -- bad
nutrition," according to his English language "Optimal Nutrition"
book. After experimenting on his family and himself, Kwasniewski
concluded that the ideal nutritional combo came from eating three
grams of fat for every one gram of protein and half a gram of
carbohydrates.


1) Calories are all - to lose weight you must cut back on high calorie
fats

One would think that anyone eating this much fat would immediately
gain weight, then realizing this, they would immediately stop eating
so much high-calorie fat.

2) Fat causes heart disease

One would think that anyone eating such large amounts of fat would
quickly, at least within 5 years, develop heart disease and see their
health quickly go downhill thus terminating the diet literally and
figuratively.

One guy is suing Atkins claiming that he developed 99% blockage within
one or two years of starting to eat a diet significantly lower in fat
than the diet discussed above, and some people believe him.

How is it possible to even suggest this kind of diet if the items
number 1 and 2 above are true and correct? Never mind actually having
a number of people eating the high-fat diet, losing weight on the
high-fat diet and gaining good health from the high-fat diet.

The whole situation is absolutely absurd.

TC

In ,
Pat coded for transmition to space:
Or, more appropriately, the doctor believes this to be true. I,
however, don't know whether it's true or not. I personally think
that blood cholesterol has little, if anything, to do with heart
disease.

--
Bob in CT


However, the doctor is an Internist and assume you are not a
specialist in that field.

roll eyes That doesn't say much where dietary science is concerned.

Your comment was about saturated fat and it's role in heart disease.
Which is not proven for lowcarb diets because all the research to date
has been focusing on saturated fat and *high* carb diets. Your
comments do not an expert the doctor refered to make.

--
revek
The vermine is a small black and white relative of the lemming, found
in the cold Hublandish regions. Its skin is rare and highly valued,
especially by the vermine itself the selfish little ******* will do
anything rather than let go of it. - Discworld wildlife, Terry
Pratchett, Sourcery

Simm Webb wrote in message . ..
The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway, let them enjoy the
picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now, or
you will see me later). They won't be singing the same tune after a by pass, or
a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.
You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this forum
evidently. I picture a good number of fat posters here eating
prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream thinking they are dieting.

In article ,
(billydee) wrote:

Simm Webb wrote in message
. ..
The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway, let them enjoy
the
picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me
now, or
you will see me later). They won't be singing the same tune after a by
pass, or
a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.
You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this forum
evidently. I picture a good number of fat posters here eating
prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream thinking they are dieting.

Wow. That old stereotype still survives, huh? The more accurate picture
would be of people eating smaller portions of regular foods instead of
prodigious amounts of "reduced fat" or "low fat" versions with added sugar
to make up for the flavor that's lost when fat is removed.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Cubit" wrote in message .com...
There is real science behind the belief that fat without high carbs is
harmless, and even essential. The studies that led doctors to denounce fat
were ambiguous. The studies used high carbs and high fat. They assumed
that it was the fat causing trouble, not the carbs, without doing a study to
clarify. This was not science.


That is true. All you have to do is look at the conclusions of
those flawed stuides. It is always "high fat and high sugar foods are
dangerous". They are always lumped together in studies. The biggest
reason however is that most of the early studies on fat are done with
trans fat lumped together with all saturated fat and animal fat and it
is not disclosed in the research. This of course was when the corrupt
mainstream medical comunity did everything they could to maintain the
false belief that all saturated fat was the same so there need not be
any distinction. That is really one thing people just do not
understand. It is only recently that the mainstream has had to
reluctantly admit( after about 60+ years of that truth being exposed)
that trans fat is not the same but that does not change all the
previous studies on "saturated fat" that include undisclosed trans
fat. There are simply no real studies showing animal fat alone as
being dangerous and in fact all the real data and research points to
the exact opposite.

"Pat" wrote in message ...

Or, more appropriately, the doctor believes this to be true. I,
however, don't know whether it's true or not. I personally think
that blood cholesterol has little, if anything, to do with heart
disease.

--
Bob in CT


However, the doctor is an Internist and assume you are not a
specialist in that field.

roll eyes That doesn't say much where dietary science is concerned.

Your comment was about saturated fat and it's role in heart disease.
Which is not proven for lowcarb diets because all the research to date
has been focusing on saturated fat and *high* carb diets. Your
comments do not an expert the doctor refered to make.
revek

My comment was that the absence of a given reason for not believing people
should eat "lard" is that is all it was--absence of a given reason. The
other poster said that indicated the doctor "didn't have a reason" but
that
is leaping to a conclusion. If you choose not to believe someone who is
an
expert in the medical field, then that's your business.

Again, medicine is not dietary science.

Dismissing experts
with rolled eyes doesn't prove that you know more than the Internist does.

Doesn't prove he or she knows more than me *on the subject of diet andit's
effects on the body* either.

It does, however, make you look like a teenager.

An expert in medicine I'll listen to, when it's about medicine. Not about
diet. Nice how you took the low road. Very mature.

revek

"Luna" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(billydee) wrote:

You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this forum
evidently.

This is being crossposted all to hell and back. Pay attention billydee.
The person you responded to doesn't know where you're posting from.

I picture a good number of fat posters here eating
prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream thinking they are dieting.

You have a vivid imagination, but it's not really based in fact. Which is
entirely your own fault for not paying attention.

Wow. That old stereotype still survives, huh? The more accurate picture
would be of people eating smaller portions of regular foods instead of
prodigious amounts of "reduced fat" or "low fat" versions with added sugar
to make up for the flavor that's lost when fat is removed.

billydee has a thing about fat, especially saturated fat. He still hangs
out here in asdlc dropping his onliners into conversations, rather randomly
it seems. Rather Pavlovian, like another poster we know.

revek

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billydee wrote:
You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this forum
evidently. I picture a good number of fat posters here eating
prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream thinking they are dieting.

I don't touch pork products and I definitely don't eat lard.
Cream, extra virgin olive oil, some butter, yep. But too many people have a
picture of people eating 1000 calories worth at one sitting. For me, these
things are seasonings for other things, and I measure it. I put 1
tablespoon (120 calories) of olive oil on my salad, and it gives it that
"I'm done" feeling. I feel like I've eaten an actual meal, rather than a
wimpy little salad that doesn't fill me and makes me hungry an hour later.

Low carbing has taught me to not be afraid of (good) fats, but not *gorge*
on them. My skin (I have mild ichthiyosis) has improved dramatically, as
have my hair and nails. All that used to be dry and in need of tons of
moisturizer.
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