EXtreme Problem Need some advise

I did that for the longest time, underestimated what I was eating.
When I actually did sit down one day and gave myself a serving I
thought to myself that I am going to starve here. A serving of steak
is roughly the size of a deck of playing cards.. I was having double
that easily and rice... whoah!!!! Let's not to there.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 5:14:56 -0500, Steve cleverly
wrote:


- First, get a food scale and weigh what you are eating. It is very
easy to guess wrong. If you underestimate the quantity, you are also
going to underestimate the calorie and carb numbers. Many studies have
shown that people consistently underestimate the amount of food they
eat.

Steve

You must be in Canada are ya?

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:43:07 -0500, "Chris Taylor Jr"
cleverly wrote:

I spend on average $100 a week on food (Meat and Fish is VERY VERY Expensive
where I live) Example. Chicken is $5 a pound Swordfish is $7 a pound (most
fish here is $5-$7 a pound) about the only thing cheap are the green beans
(50 cents a can) and the Eggs ($2 a dozen)

Steve wrote:
:: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 6:04:14 -0500, Jeri wrote
:: (in message ):
::
::: "Chris Taylor Jr" wrote in message
:::
:::: What is BMR ??
:::
::: BMR is Basal Metabolic Rate. It's the number of calories your body
::: needs to keep itself healthy. You shouldn't eat below your BMR on a
::: consistant basis or you risk slowing your metabolism down and
::: burning muscle to compensate for the lack of energy to maintain
::: your bodies functions.
::
:: Umm, where are you getting your information from, may I ask? The
:: only
:: way to loose weight is to eat below your BMR adjusted for activity...
:: or have surgery or relocate to a planet with a smaller mass.
::
:::
:::: I spend on average $100 a week on food (Meat and Fish is VERY VERY
:::: Expensive where I live) Example. Chicken is $5 a pound Swordfish is
:::: $7 a pound (most fish here is $5-$7 a pound) about the only thing
:::: cheap are the green beans (50 cents a can) and the Eggs ($2 a
:::: dozen)
:::
::: If you're eating too many calories you won't lose no matter how few
::: carbs you eat.
::
:: That's for sure... unless there is some sort of metabolic disorder.
::
::
::: If you eat too few calories you'll slow your metabolism down and
::: you'll stall.
::
:: That's controversial.
::
::: Another thing to consider is protein. It converts to
::: carbohydrate at a rate of about 58% so if you're eating too much
::: protein you could be going over your carb limit without realizing
::: it.
::
:: Again, where did you get this tidbit from? I am sure a lot of the
:: people on this group will be surprised to find out that they have to
:: count a gram of protein as .58 grams of carbohydrate. How many grams
:: of carbohydrate do you count fat as?

Well, according to the byline, it would be 0.1. However, I think this
explanation is too simplistic. I think the conversion only takes place in a
situation where the brain is in need of glucose. I haven't read Lyle's book
in a while, though, but he does discuss this in The Ketogenic Diet. Jenny
talks about this on her website, too.

Roger,

Some people DO have metabolic issues. Yes, lots of people eat ten times more
than they realize and gain weight for that reason, but others do not.

Particularly when someone is extremely fat it's legitimate to suspect a
metabolic flaw. The trick, then, is to find a doctor who is willing to do
some research to find out what the flaw might be. Unfortunately, very few
doctors will run the kinds of tests it takes to find this out. sigh

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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Jeri wrote:
:: "Chris Taylor Jr" wrote in message
::
::: What is BMR ??
::
:: BMR is Basal Metabolic Rate. It's the number of calories your body
:: needs to keep itself healthy. You shouldn't eat below your BMR on a
:: consistant basis or you risk slowing your metabolism down and
:: burning muscle to compensate for the lack of energy to maintain your
:: bodies functions.
::
::: I spend on average $100 a week on food (Meat and Fish is VERY VERY
::: Expensive where I live) Example. Chicken is $5 a pound Swordfish is
::: $7 a pound (most fish here is $5-$7 a pound) about the only thing
::: cheap are the green beans (50 cents a can) and the Eggs ($2 a dozen)
::
:: If you're eating too many calories you won't lose no matter how few
:: carbs you eat. If you eat too few calories you'll slow your
:: metabolism down and you'll stall. Another thing to consider is
:: protein. It converts to carbohydrate at a rate of about 58% so if
:: you're eating too much protein you could be going over your carb
:: limit without realizing it. --

That might be true, however, if he is really eating less than 2000 kcals,
I
don't think it will matter.

Something is very wrong wth Chris's the numbers, for sure. I think he
must
be eating way more than he thinks, and the scale is pegging at max.
However, I would have also thought that he'd would have noticed some
change
in the way his clothes fit. So, either he's eating too much or has some
metabolic issues.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:22:43 -0500, Steve wrote:

[cut]

Well, according to the byline, it would be 0.1. However, I think this
explanation is too simplistic. I think the conversion only takes place
in a
situation where the brain is in need of glucose. I haven't read Lyle's
book
in a while, though, but he does discuss this in The Ketogenic Diet.
Jenny
talks about this on her website, too.

Well, I guess anyone can make up any diet they want :-) Have you seen
my "Two Foot Diet"? But unless they changed something since he died, in
Atkins you count 1 gm of protein as 0 grams of carb. The kid, I
believe, is trying to follow Atkins.

Steve


That's true, but protein supposedly will get converted to carbs at a 0.58
percent rate. See:

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
http://www.wannabebig.com/printarticle.php?articleid=34

--
Bob M in CT
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:42:16 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
announced in front of God and everybody:

Something is very wrong wth Chris's the numbers, for sure. I think he must
be eating way more than he thinks, and the scale is pegging at max.
However, I would have also thought that he'd would have noticed some change
in the way his clothes fit. So, either he's eating too much or has some
metabolic issues.

Well, if he's maxed out his scale --or his scale is broken -- he may
be losing but it just isn't registering on the scale.

The suggestion to measure his waist weekly is a good one.

Dawn

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:55:45 -0500, Steve announced
in front of God and everybody:

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:44:59 -0500, Mike McNeil wrote
(in message ):

You must be in Canada are ya?

Nah, he lives outside of Philadelphia.

So $5 a pound for chicken? What do they feed chickens in Philly,
anyway -- gold leaf?

Dawn

emkay quoth:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:43:07 -0500, "Chris Taylor Jr"
wrote:

Actually oddly enough the only place that HAS a scale that can weigh me
(even my doctors does not go that high) is the local veterinariam. it reads
and it showing progress for my sister just fine (she has lost 23 pounds so
far) I also thought it odd that I always weigh the same. I figured their
should be at the minimum slight fluctuations of a few pounds etc.. up and
down. I certaintly PREY I am not heavier than it can weigh since that would
mean I am heavier than 365 :-(

Try stepping on the scale, stepping off, picking up something of known
weight (like a 5-pound dumbbell), and stepping back on. If the before and
after weights are the same, you'll know you're maxing out the scale.

Very good! Yes, try that.

I suspect you are maxing out the scale, but that means you can look
forward to the day you'll be under the max, and then you'll start to see
the numbers moving. They're probably moving now, but you can't see them
because of the scale limitations.

Hang in there!

Priscilla

Chris Taylor Jr wrote:
what in the world is going on ? I have been 365 for over a year now. each
time I weigh myself I am still EXACTLY 365 never 366 never 364 always the
same 365 (shouldn't my weight fluctuate a little ?)

Stand on the scale holding a 10 lb. bag of flour. Does it still say 365?

If so, mystery solved.

- awh

In article ,
says...
Well, if he's maxed out his scale --or his scale is broken -- he may
be losing but it just isn't registering on the scale.

Perhaps he should take a 5-10 lb weight with him the next time he steps on the
scale and try weighing with and without holding the weight. If there is no
change, then he knows the scale is maxed out.

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