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Ignoramus5536 wrote:
|| || Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70 || (sic). || || To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience || perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise. If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not merely a low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the rate that BG levels fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that low for one to experience hypo. |
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"Ignoramus5536" wrote in message
... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in620811.shtml ``Overall, the prevalence of metabolic syndrome was 38.7 percent in moderately obese subjects and 49.7 percent in severely obese subjects.'' Thanks for the link. Though it's a study on young obesity, which is a whole matter in itself. And then, it's an egg and chicken problem. Is the metabolic syndrom the source of the obesity, or it is a consequence? Or is it just a cycle that feeds on itself once it is started. Yes, it is great that you could at least stop your diabetes, I think that you are still pretty young. I'm 32. I'm still waiting a bit before calling it "stopped", my nutritionist is a lot more optimistic than I am actually. After the ophtalmologist, I'm still thinking about checking with a podologist (though my feet have never been as smooth and healthy looking as they are now - even hairs are growing ) and a cardiologist. Though I will wait on the later until I get a bit more control of my white coat syndrom, using the cardiometer as a way to monitor my relaxation technics seem to work so far (I can drop my heart rate from 80 to sligthtly bellow 60 with a little focus, very nice effect on stress when doing job interviews and the like). I regret that I did not do better blood sugar testing prior to starting to lose weight, but my suspicion is that my blood sugar control was not great, despite decent morning numbers. Exactly. I wonder how many people were diabetic as obese, and just dropped off the detection threshold from plain weight loss... That makes sense. Diabetes, it appears, is in fact several diseases that may have different etiologies. Yours may be different than what happens to older people. Yes, some people in alt.support.diabete report that weight loss did not do much for them. But others point that it did an amazing job at improving their control. The later also seem to tolerate carbs better. There is probably a link between where loss of control happens the most, fasting or post prandial. So, there are at least two different patterns. I guess it depends on how much it's insulin resistance related (and how much of it is weight related vs purely genetic) or insulin deficiency related. The annoying part is that so many doctors and researchers seem clueless about part of the diabetic population. Most of the studies seem to be made on people with insanely high A1c, who are old, and who were detected at a later stage of the disease (many with complications already). Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70 (sic). To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise. I'm still high normal myself. Hopefully, my FBG will start going down as I keep losing weight (I'm still halfway after all). Or maybe some people just tend to have a higher homeostatic glucose setting, either genetically or as an adaptation (it seems some professional racing cyclists are into the high normal range for instance, probably as an adaptation to the sport - or high drug usage). Are you eating absolutely all kinds of food? Or did you give up some foods completely? Well, there is still some food I don't like, so obviously I don't eat it. Other than that, I have not dared eating candies again yet, though I do eat chocolate and some sweet specialties (like marzipan). I also have given up on trans fats as much as possible, but this doesn't really ban whole kinds of food, just some brands (i.e., I eat whole butter cakes rather than hydrogenated oils cakes). Cutting trans fats seems to have helped my LDL results a lot, so it's a small price to pay. Besides, butter cakes taste better. Next month, I will be following a training course that is hosted in a high school. So, back to high school after 14 years away from it. This means getting school meals for lunch. That's certainly going to be a very enlightening experience. I have noticed they have hamburger+French fries once a week (though the alternative was ratatouille and chicken with tarragon), something that was unthinkable when I was a student. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the young eats at school... |
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"Ignoramus5536" wrote in message
... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in620811.shtml ``Overall, the prevalence of metabolic syndrome was 38.7 percent in moderately obese subjects and 49.7 percent in severely obese subjects.'' Thanks for the link. Though it's a study on young obesity, which is a whole matter in itself. And then, it's an egg and chicken problem. Is the metabolic syndrom the source of the obesity, or it is a consequence? Or is it just a cycle that feeds on itself once it is started. Yes, it is great that you could at least stop your diabetes, I think that you are still pretty young. I'm 32. I'm still waiting a bit before calling it "stopped", my nutritionist is a lot more optimistic than I am actually. After the ophtalmologist, I'm still thinking about checking with a podologist (though my feet have never been as smooth and healthy looking as they are now - even hairs are growing ) and a cardiologist. Though I will wait on the later until I get a bit more control of my white coat syndrom, using the cardiometer as a way to monitor my relaxation technics seem to work so far (I can drop my heart rate from 80 to sligthtly bellow 60 with a little focus, very nice effect on stress when doing job interviews and the like). I regret that I did not do better blood sugar testing prior to starting to lose weight, but my suspicion is that my blood sugar control was not great, despite decent morning numbers. Exactly. I wonder how many people were diabetic as obese, and just dropped off the detection threshold from plain weight loss... That makes sense. Diabetes, it appears, is in fact several diseases that may have different etiologies. Yours may be different than what happens to older people. Yes, some people in alt.support.diabete report that weight loss did not do much for them. But others point that it did an amazing job at improving their control. The later also seem to tolerate carbs better. There is probably a link between where loss of control happens the most, fasting or post prandial. So, there are at least two different patterns. I guess it depends on how much it's insulin resistance related (and how much of it is weight related vs purely genetic) or insulin deficiency related. The annoying part is that so many doctors and researchers seem clueless about part of the diabetic population. Most of the studies seem to be made on people with insanely high A1c, who are old, and who were detected at a later stage of the disease (many with complications already). Speaking of hypo... My MIL had a serious hypo attack at BG of 70 (sic). To me, this is a quite normal level these days. I would experience perhaps very slight shakiness, but would feel quite well otherwise. I'm still high normal myself. Hopefully, my FBG will start going down as I keep losing weight (I'm still halfway after all). Or maybe some people just tend to have a higher homeostatic glucose setting, either genetically or as an adaptation (it seems some professional racing cyclists are into the high normal range for instance, probably as an adaptation to the sport - or high drug usage). Are you eating absolutely all kinds of food? Or did you give up some foods completely? Well, there is still some food I don't like, so obviously I don't eat it. Other than that, I have not dared eating candies again yet, though I do eat chocolate and some sweet specialties (like marzipan). I also have given up on trans fats as much as possible, but this doesn't really ban whole kinds of food, just some brands (i.e., I eat whole butter cakes rather than hydrogenated oils cakes). Cutting trans fats seems to have helped my LDL results a lot, so it's a small price to pay. Besides, butter cakes taste better. Next month, I will be following a training course that is hosted in a high school. So, back to high school after 14 years away from it. This means getting school meals for lunch. That's certainly going to be a very enlightening experience. I have noticed they have hamburger+French fries once a week (though the alternative was ratatouille and chicken with tarragon), something that was unthinkable when I was a student. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the young eats at school... |
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
... If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not merely a low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the rate that BG levels fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that low for one to experience hypo. That was typical when taking Prandin. At some point, I would experience crash hypos, though I'm certain my levels where not trully hypoglycemic. I read some diabetic report that they have felt some hypo symptoms when dropping from hyperglycemic range to still hyperglycemic or high normal (for instance, dropping from 200 to 110 very quickly). I don't know if transitionnal hypos are felt with the full range of symptoms (both somatic and neuro) or only a subset (only somatic would make sense)... |
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Lictor wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote in message || ... ||| If you do some reading on hypo, you'll discover that hypo is not ||| merely a low BG reading...they symptoms can be brought on by the ||| rate that BG levels fall, so the BG doesn't even need to be that ||| low for one to experience hypo. || || That was typical when taking Prandin. At some point, I would || experience crash hypos, though I'm certain my levels where not || trully hypoglycemic. I read some diabetic report that they have felt || some hypo symptoms when dropping from hyperglycemic range to still || hyperglycemic or high normal (for instance, dropping from 200 to 110 || very quickly). Right, exactly. || I don't know if transitionnal hypos are felt with the full range of || symptoms (both somatic and neuro) or only a subset (only somatic || would make sense)... A lot about hypo is poorly understood. All I know if that if I go ride 60+ miles on LC, I'll have such a bad hypo that I can barely function. |
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