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Slowly, ever so slowly, the worm turns.
On 21/05/2012 12:16 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
James Warren wrote: That is a very narrow minded position. If LC works as well as it seems to work and is safe, then the world at large needs to know about it. The entrenched regimes needs to change. The best way to do that is to overwhelm them with solid evidence. Solid evidence - Go to the mall and look for fat people. If you see more than the ancient 10% percentage of obesity that's the result of decades of low fat pressure. This is very simple not rocket science. The entrenched regime needs to be attacked on intellectual and organizational levels. Endless low carb studies have been coming out for over a decade and they are a part of the solution, but only a part. Those studies are small and the results only suggestive. The critics can always say "yeah, but". We need to eliminate all criticism by good, large studies. Looking around the mall and then pointing to what they are eating is only a plausibility argument. Such arguments need experimental verification. -- -jw |
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Slowly, ever so slowly, the worm turns.
On Mon, 21 May 2012 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: [...] We were already getting fatter before the low-fat campaign. Not really. The low-fat pressure was primarily the result of (in my opinion, unjustified) cholesterol concerns. See: The McGovern Report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFQc2kxm9c That is, that dietary cholesterol was in some way related to blood cholesterol levels, which we now know is not true. It was thought that certain fats (primarily saturated fats) caused "clogging of the arteries," which we also know today isn't true. And that those who ate high-fat diets died earlier than those who ate low-fat diets (we can thank that fraudulent scumbag Ancel Keys for that), which also today we know isn't true Study after study has shown us that just as many people die of CHD with low cholesterol levels as die with high cholesterol levels. Ditto for high-fat diets and low-fat diets. Unfortunately, many of these studies did not control for carbs, especially refined and processed carbs (like sugar). Other studies have shown an overall decrease in morbidity from eating high-fat/low-carb diets. Especially from cancer. We have more studies than we can shake a stick at. If James wants to wait around for that one singular study that comes along and "the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal," he's going to have a really, really, really long wait. This is a perfect example of why the government should generally stay out of the field of science and medicine. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On 21/05/2012 2:29 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2012 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: [...] We were already getting fatter before the low-fat campaign. Not really. The low-fat pressure was primarily the result of (in my opinion, unjustified) cholesterol concerns. See: The McGovern Report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFQc2kxm9c That is, that dietary cholesterol was in some way related to blood cholesterol levels, which we now know is not true. It was thought that certain fats (primarily saturated fats) caused "clogging of the arteries," which we also know today isn't true. And that those who ate high-fat diets died earlier than those who ate low-fat diets (we can thank that fraudulent scumbag Ancel Keys for that), which also today we know isn't true Study after study has shown us that just as many people die of CHD with low cholesterol levels as die with high cholesterol levels. Ditto for high-fat diets and low-fat diets. Unfortunately, many of these studies did not control for carbs, especially refined and processed carbs (like sugar). Other studies have shown an overall decrease in morbidity from eating high-fat/low-carb diets. Especially from cancer. We have more studies than we can shake a stick at. If James wants to wait around for that one singular study that comes along and "the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal," he's going to have a really, really, really long wait. Why do you say I'm waiting? It will be good studies that will sway entrenched medicine. This is a perfect example of why the government should generally stay out of the field of science and medicine. -- -jw |
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:51:51 -0300, James Warren
wrote: [...] If James wants to wait around for that one singular study that comes along and "the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal," he's going to have a really, really, really long wait. Why do you say I'm waiting? Because you keep demanding things that aren't going to happen. You're basically a digital recording on loop. Or a troll. Or both. It will be good studies that will sway entrenched medicine. Only TIME sways entrenched medicine. TIME for them to die, avoiding embarassment, incarceration, and mega-law$uit$. You'll figure it out one day. Or maybe not. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On 21/05/2012 3:03 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:51:51 -0300, James wrote: [...] If James wants to wait around for that one singular study that comes along and "the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal," he's going to have a really, really, really long wait. Why do you say I'm waiting? Because you keep demanding things that aren't going to happen. You're basically a digital recording on loop. Or a troll. Or both. Yeah, OK. I guess being a disciple to a discredited god is better than real science. It will be good studies that will sway entrenched medicine. Only TIME sways entrenched medicine. TIME for them to die, avoiding embarassment, incarceration, and mega-law$uit$. You'll figure it out one day. Or maybe not. Time will tell. -- -jw |
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 15:57:22 -0300, James Warren
wrote: [...] Because you keep demanding things that aren't going to happen. You're basically a digital recording on loop. Or a troll. Or both. Yeah, OK. I guess being a disciple to a discredited god is better than real science. Actually, my little TROLL, you wouldn't know real science, or a real scientist, if you were hit in the head with it. And being "discredited" by idiots, fakes, frauds, liars and cheats is a badge of honor. It will be good studies that will sway entrenched medicine. Only TIME sways entrenched medicine. TIME for them to die, avoiding embarassment, incarceration, and mega-law$uit$. You'll figure it out one day. Or maybe not. Time will tell. Not in your case. Because time doesn't cure stupid. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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Dogman wrote:
" wrote: We were already getting fatter before the low-fat campaign. Not really. The low-fat pressure was primarily the result of (in my opinion, unjustified) cholesterol concerns. See: The McGovern Report. There should be graphs that compare obesisty over time from well before the invention of refined flour and sugar against exercise (reduced as the Industrial Revolution progressed), carb intake (increased), fat intake and several other variables. Obesity was at higher levels than the ancient values before the low fat crave. It increased when the low fat craze started. Low fat pressure overlaps with super sizing now but it did not during the first decade of the low fat craze I suspect. Other studies have shown an overall decrease in morbidity from eating high-fat/low-carb diets. Especially from cancer. We have more studies than we can shake a stick at. Exactly. If James wants to wait around for that one singular study that comes along and "the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal," he's going to have a really, really, really long wait. Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions". He states that old theories only die when their last adherents die. Low fat folks are going to be with us a very long time. |
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote: [...] Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions". He states that old theories only die when their last adherents die. Low fat folks are going to be with us a very long time. Indeed, and a great read! -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On 21/05/2012 4:17 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2012 15:57:22 -0300, James wrote: [...] Because you keep demanding things that aren't going to happen. You're basically a digital recording on loop. Or a troll. Or both. Yeah, OK. I guess being a disciple to a discredited god is better than real science. Actually, my little TROLL, you wouldn't know real science, or a real scientist, if you were hit in the head with it. Actually I've been working in medical science (electrocardiology) for 40 years doing programming and statistics. I know a little about science and how it's done. And being "discredited" by idiots, fakes, frauds, liars and cheats is a badge of honor. That's a lot of good scientists you're tarring here. It will be good studies that will sway entrenched medicine. Only TIME sways entrenched medicine. TIME for them to die, avoiding embarassment, incarceration, and mega-law$uit$. You'll figure it out one day. Or maybe not. Time will tell. Not in your case. Because time doesn't cure stupid. Does anyone compare to you? -- -jw |
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