Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 11/27/07.

On Nov 28, 5:06 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:



Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?

"The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.

Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.

Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".

Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).

So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?

Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
if you require more room):

Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
delusion that hunger is bad:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:

It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...

I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
approach to their patients.

The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

Ooooh, overlooked this bit:

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

"Yamantaka", care to give us the Planet Reality version of
this claim?

"Yamantaka" has already falsely claimed that the survey results came
from those who were attempting to be humorous.

Yes, but as that is an explanation both obvious and compelling, it had
already ocurred to me. Within seconds.

Thankfully, there were additional questions, including open format
free response ones, that allow us to determine this was not the case.



The simple fact that only "Yamantaka" (out of 35,000 Sermo physicians)
has ventured out here onto Usenet to express an opposing view about
the 2PD-OMER Approach

...is easily explained by the fact that the average doctor is
hardly lurking about these groups, and in fact is most likely
totally unaware of the existence of Usenet froups.

This is countered by the fact that "Yamantaka" has revealed that some
Sermo posts included links that has allowed Sermo physicians to easily
venture onto sci.med.cardiology. Indeed, "Yamantaka" found his way
here by these links as did JasonDocMD.

And would hardly care, even if he were.

Clearly, "Yamantaka" and JasonDocMD has expressed their opposition to
the 2PD-OMER Approach.

adds to the validity of the survey results

Addition of zero is an idempotent operation.

Their negative reaction is hardly zero reaction.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your endangered
soul:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.
Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
worthwhile to offer patients? Is this the same creative math you use
to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?


I don't know why I waste my time. Chung brings out the worst in me.
This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

Andrew, people think you are mentally ill. They think you may once
have been intelligent, but have had a psychotic break and are
delusional and unmedicated for your condition. No one takes you
seriously. No one cares. If anyone does interact with you it's as
sport and entertainment, not because they take you seriously. After
you were deactivated from Sermo there was a popular thread about you
entitled, "Good Riddance." It has had more participation and attention
and meaningful comments as well as jokes and votes than any of the
garbage that you ever posted on Sermo had.

On Nov 28, 4:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.


My response:

That is an absolute 100% lie. Only a few even bothered to respond to
what you said and no one, absolutely no one, agreed with you about
your 2 pound hunger is good and you were asked repeatedly for any
scientific studies to back up what you said and you were never
forthcoming except for quoting scriptures and saying it was their
fault for not understanding it. You were booted out of Sermo.

On Nov 28, 6:17 pm, "Zen Cohen" wrote:
wrote in message

...

....

Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.
Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
worthwhile to offer patients? Is this the same creative math you use
to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?

I don't know why I waste my time. Chung brings out the worst in me.
This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

He brings out the worst in many people, including me. I think it's because
he says so many irresponsible and ridiculous things and, unlike most people
who do that, he has the ability to do a lot of damage as a licensed
physician. It seems the people of GA would be well-served if the medical
board there would take some action to see that he either gets help or is
suspended from practicing medicine.

In any case, your posts here are constructive in that you're educating us
and confirming (as a doctor and member of Sermo) what most laypeople here
already believed.

And Zen, Andrew is too concrete to get why your name is so clever.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

As a PhD, I'm sure you understand the necessity of presenting a
theory
or approach before pier review, and that said pier review must be
citable. Agreed? I think what's being asked here, is where is the
pier
review? What university study or medical journal is it contained in?
What other physicians or nutritionists mention it in any sort of
publication, journal, website, blog etc? Show 'em and put this thing
to rest :-)

Jesus answered, "It is written:
'Man does not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes
from the mouth of God.'"
Matthew 4:4

brother Zed wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

As a PhD, I'm sure you understand the necessity of presenting a
theory
or approach before pier review, and that said pier review must be
citable. Agreed?

Yes.

However, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a theory...

.... instead, it is a corollary/application of the 1st Law of
Thermodynamics.

Such applications are peerless because GOD has no peer.

The optimal amount of food (omer) has been set by GOD and not by me:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER

Laus Deo ! ! !

I think what's being asked here, is where is the
pier
review? What university study or medical journal is it contained in?
What other physicians or nutritionists mention it in any sort of
publication, journal, website, blog etc? Show 'em and put this thing
to rest :-)

GOD's will be done and not our wills.

There will be no rest for those who have not placed their faith in
LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Jesus answered, "It is written:
'Man does not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes
from the mouth of God.'"
Matthew 4:4

Amen.

"HE (GOD) humbled you, causing you to **hunger**, and then feeding you
with manna..." -- Moses (Deuteronomy 8:3)

Amen.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

On Nov 29, 4:08 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
brother Zed wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

As a PhD, I'm sure you understand the necessity of presenting a
theory
or approach before pier review, and that said pier review must be
citable. Agreed?

Yes.

However, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a theory...

... instead, it is a corollary/application of the 1st Law of
Thermodynamics.

Such applications are peerless because GOD has no peer.

The optimal amount of food (omer) has been set by GOD and not by me:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER

Laus Deo ! ! !

I think what's being asked here, is where is the
pier
review? What university study or medical journal is it contained in?
What other physicians or nutritionists mention it in any sort of
publication, journal, website, blog etc? Show 'em and put this thing
to rest :-)

GOD's will be done and not our wills.

There will be no rest for those who have not placed their faith in
LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Jesus answered, "It is written:
'Man does not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes
from the mouth of God.'"
Matthew 4:4

Amen.

"HE (GOD) humbled you, causing you to **hunger**, and then feeding you
with manna..." -- Moses (Deuteronomy 8:3)

Amen.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not God's idea. It is Chung's twisted
misinterpretation of a measure of volume, not weight (omer) mentioned
in the bible.. It is irresponsible for a licensed physician to
represent this as an optimal amount of food for everyone in this day
and age. It is also misleading when Chung claims that 600,000 people
follow this diet. He is indirectly alluding to some fictional amount
of people from Bible times but he hopes the inference will be that he
has that many patients under his care. Pure rubbish and lies.

Andrew, beware...the Holy Spirit predicts the end is near for your
medical license.

On Nov 28, 8:36 pm, wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

wrote:

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

My response:

That is an absolute 100% lie. Only a few even bothered to respond to
what you said and no one, absolutely no one, agreed with you about
your 2 pound hunger is good and you were asked repeatedly for any
scientific studies to back up what you said and you were never
forthcoming except for quoting scriptures and saying it was their
fault for not understanding it. You were booted out of Sermo.

One more example of Chung being a pathological liar.

Chung has been CONVICTED himself.

In article writes:
On Nov 28, 5:06 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:



Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?

"The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.

Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.

Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".

Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).

So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?

Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
if you require more room):

Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
delusion that hunger is bad:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:

It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...

I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
approach to their patients.

The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

Ooooh, overlooked this bit:

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

"Yamantaka", care to give us the Planet Reality version of
this claim?

"Yamantaka" has already falsely claimed that the survey results came
from those who were attempting to be humorous.

Yes, but as that is an explanation both obvious and compelling, it had
already ocurred to me. Within seconds.

Thankfully, there were additional questions, including open format
free response ones, that allow us to determine this was not the case.



The simple fact that only "Yamantaka" (out of 35,000 Sermo physicians)
has ventured out here onto Usenet to express an opposing view about
the 2PD-OMER Approach

...is easily explained by the fact that the average doctor is
hardly lurking about these groups, and in fact is most likely
totally unaware of the existence of Usenet froups.

This is countered by the fact that "Yamantaka" has revealed that some
Sermo posts included links that has allowed Sermo physicians to easily
venture onto sci.med.cardiology. Indeed, "Yamantaka" found his way
here by these links as did JasonDocMD.

And would hardly care, even if he were.

Clearly, "Yamantaka" and JasonDocMD has expressed their opposition to
the 2PD-OMER Approach.

adds to the validity of the survey results

Addition of zero is an idempotent operation.

Their negative reaction is hardly zero reaction.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your endangered
soul:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.
Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
worthwhile to offer patients? Is this the same creative math you use
to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?


I don't know why I waste my time. Chung brings out the worst in me.
This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

Andrew, people think you are mentally ill. They think you may once
have been intelligent, but have had a psychotic break and are
delusional and unmedicated for your condition. No one takes you
seriously. No one cares. If anyone does interact with you it's as
sport and entertainment, not because they take you seriously.

And yet Andrew himself clearly gets some sort of satisfaction
from this sport. I wonder what it could be (and no, that is
not a facetious question, not at all)


-- cary


After
you were deactivated from Sermo there was a popular thread about you
entitled, "Good Riddance." It has had more participation and attention
and meaningful comments as well as jokes and votes than any of the
garbage that you ever posted on Sermo had.

In article writes:
On Nov 28, 6:17 pm, "Zen Cohen" wrote:
wrote in message

...

....

Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.
Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
worthwhile to offer patients? Is this the same creative math you use
to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?

I don't know why I waste my time. Chung brings out the worst in me.
This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

He brings out the worst in many people, including me. I think it's because
he says so many irresponsible and ridiculous things and, unlike most people
who do that, he has the ability to do a lot of damage as a licensed
physician. It seems the people of GA would be well-served if the medical
board there would take some action to see that he either gets help or is
suspended from practicing medicine.

In any case, your posts here are constructive in that you're educating us
and confirming (as a doctor and member of Sermo) what most laypeople here
already believed.

And Zen, Andrew is too concrete to get why your name is so clever.

Well, I've always maintained that Andrew adopts his well-known rigid
literal-mindness only when it suits his purpose -- most generally
in avoiding answering an uncomfortable question. If you ask
him something like "Do I really hear you saying some utterly
absurd contrafactual thing?", he'll often reply along the
lines of "Would recommend informing your neurologist that
you are hearing voices in a text-based medium", rather
than deal with defending some utterly absurd contrafactual thing.

I've always regarded this as simple -- and dishonest --
disingenuousness rather than a deficit. But perhaps
I've een wrong?


-- cary

In article "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" writes:
brother Zed wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.

It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.

It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
physicians.

As a PhD, I'm sure you understand the necessity of presenting a
theory
or approach before pier review, and that said pier review must be
citable. Agreed?

Yes.

However, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a theory...

... instead, it is a corollary/application of the 1st Law of
Thermodynamics.

Such applications are peerless because GOD has no peer.

Funny, when Stephen Hawking posits radiative evaporation of
black holes as a collary of thermodynamics combined with
applied quantum theory, none of his peers take it as
a given because "GOD has no peer".

Instead, they look for the resulting radiative signatures.

And if it's not there, then it doesn't happen.


-- cary