Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet

Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down, which I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.


"J-S" wrote in message
nk.net...
Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks (I'm a
28yo man)

Menu:
fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.

Results:
* utter loss of energy
* faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and late
afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the dependency)
* 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt still present around
the waist & in the belly front

So here go the questions:

a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet balance
your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction? Because I
barely
can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain activity, have no
desire
to do anything after work or go anywhere

b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?

c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers that
have
been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only going down, which
I
understand is due to lack of building material for fat, so it doesn't get
recycled, just gets lost.

Any opinions will be appreciated.

How in the world do you know that it is your liver that is hurting you?
There are a number of organs in your upper abdomen, so it seems to me any
one of them could be the site of the pain, not even considering the referred
pain effect where it is felt in a place other than the place of origin.

Also, you may be coming down with some virus, these things happen regardless
of what you have been eating and are not necessarily diet related.

In nk.net,
J-S stated
| Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks
| (I'm a 28yo man)
|
| Menu:
| fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
| tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.
|
| Results:
| * utter loss of energy
| * faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and
| late afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the
| dependency) * 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt
| still present around the waist & in the belly front
|
| So here go the questions:
|
| a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
| balance your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction?
| Because I barely can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain
| activity, have no desire to do anything after work or go anywhere
|
| b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?
|
| c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
| quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers
| that have been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only
| going down, which I understand is due to lack of building material
| for fat, so it doesn't get recycled, just gets lost.
|
| Any opinions will be appreciated.

How in the world do you know that it is your liver that is hurting you?
There are a number of organs in your upper abdomen, so it seems to me any
one of them could be the site of the pain, not even considering the referred
pain effect where it is felt in a place other than the place of origin.

Also, you may be coming down with some virus, these things happen regardless
of what you have been eating and are not necessarily diet related.

In nk.net,
J-S stated
| Had been going on the no-sugar & no-carb diet for the past 6 weeks
| (I'm a 28yo man)
|
| Menu:
| fish, meat, chicken, eggs, vegetables (except carrots & potatoes),
| tea/coffee, sour cream, white cheeses, red bull.
|
| Results:
| * utter loss of energy
| * faint liver pain in the last 4 days, usually in the afternoon and
| late afternoon and after some meals (haven't established the
| dependency) * 20 lbs is gone, I became visibly thin, but fat belt
| still present around the waist & in the belly front
|
| So here go the questions:
|
| a) How do you ladies and gents sitting on a low- or no- carb diet
| balance your energy levels. What do you eat to be able to finction?
| Because I barely can - don't want to exersize, have a drop in brain
| activity, have no desire to do anything after work or go anywhere
|
| b) What might be that vague aching in the liver?
|
| c) Is it time to add sugar/carbs to the menu, and if so - then in what
| quantity and how to avoid the regeneration of the fat belt layers
| that have been lost in the past month. So far the weight was only
| going down, which I understand is due to lack of building material
| for fat, so it doesn't get recycled, just gets lost.
|
| Any opinions will be appreciated.

"J-S" wrote in
nk.net:


Any opinions will be appreciated.

Did you get a full check-up before starting?

~miette

Ignoramus11294 wrote:

| ``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
| eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
| dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
| gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
| gallstones may form.''
|

Here we go again with the breakfast myth. This is your personal opinion,
certainly not fact. In fact, it's less than opinion, it's pure fiction that
not eating breakfast is somehow unhealthy. There are absolutely no facts to
back this. The concept that skipping breakfast can cause gallstones is
absolutely ridiculous, and is a gross misrepresentation and twisting of the
facts. *Extended* fasting can be one of the minor possible contributing
factors for gallstones. This means going days or weeks with little or no
food. Eating two healthy meals a day with a few snacks in between is
certainly sufficient to maintain gall bladder health. In fact, the much
more significant contributing causes of gallstones are obesity, high
cholesterol and diabetes. And ll three of these factors can be exacerbated
by eating more, and by eating more frequently.

I am 52 years old and have never eaten breakfast. I don't eat until
lunchtime or later if that's when I start to get hungry. I assure you my
gall bladder is just fine. I have never had any health problems whatsoever
from eating my first meal of the day at noon instead of 8 or 9 a.m.

--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Ignoramus11294 wrote:

| ``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
| eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
| dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
| gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
| gallstones may form.''
|

Here we go again with the breakfast myth. This is your personal opinion,
certainly not fact. In fact, it's less than opinion, it's pure fiction that
not eating breakfast is somehow unhealthy. There are absolutely no facts to
back this. The concept that skipping breakfast can cause gallstones is
absolutely ridiculous, and is a gross misrepresentation and twisting of the
facts. *Extended* fasting can be one of the minor possible contributing
factors for gallstones. This means going days or weeks with little or no
food. Eating two healthy meals a day with a few snacks in between is
certainly sufficient to maintain gall bladder health. In fact, the much
more significant contributing causes of gallstones are obesity, high
cholesterol and diabetes. And ll three of these factors can be exacerbated
by eating more, and by eating more frequently.

I am 52 years old and have never eaten breakfast. I don't eat until
lunchtime or later if that's when I start to get hungry. I assure you my
gall bladder is just fine. I have never had any health problems whatsoever
from eating my first meal of the day at noon instead of 8 or 9 a.m.

--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

marengo wrote:

|
| Here we go again with the breakfast myth. This is your personal
| opinion, certainly not fact. snip

Sorry, Iggy, after re-reading my post I realized I misspoke -- I meant to
say that it is the personal opinion of the author of the aricle, not *your*
personal opinion!
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

All of these fad type diets do not work in my opinion. There may be a few
people who benefit from them, but this is generally short term, and they end
up putting all the weight back on. The only way to lose weight and keep it
off is to make changes to both your eating habits and your lifestyle. Your
body needs a balanced intake of all the food types we eat to maintain a
healthy balance. Depriving it of one or more of these foods can onlt serve
to create an imbalance. So for example you may lose the weight but have no
energy. I have done a bit of research on this and in my opinion the
statements "everything in moderation" and "you are what you eat" are worth
remembering when choosing a diet plan.

Regards
S. Robertson
www.srdirect.co.uk

"miette" wrote in message
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"J-S" wrote in
nk.net:


Any opinions will be appreciated.

Did you get a full check-up before starting?

~miette

Not a full one, but I had my blood, liver, thyroid, hiv, metabolism checked.
The leucocites were low, aminotransferasa in the liver was high, but it went
down 50% after the first week of the diet.
The doctor said it could be because I was drinking daily.
I haven't been drinking for the past 6 weeks though.

People in the group may be right - it could be something close to the liver,
not the actual liver.
Liver itself never game me any problems before, none of symptoms were ever
present pointing to that organ.
Yesterday night drank wine & beer to test it out - no aching. This morning
woke up, ate cottage cheese - hurts again.
Very strange.

Multi-vitamins is also an interesting idea - a lot of people refer to it.
It just sounds a bit odd to swallow a bunch of chemicals listed on the
label.