Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet

On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such cases to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such cases to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

Does this newsgroup attract more than a fair share of hypochondriacs, or
what?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
nk.net...
On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such cases
to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around
your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

In alt.support.diet.low-carb Gymmy Bob wrote:
I have observed the dairy products you list are all massively processed
products. They all just happen to be enzyme broken down calcium molecules.

Wow, where to start... If you know of an enzyme that can break down a
calcium molecule, you are on your way to the Nobel Prize for Physics.
Let's just say you need to do a bit of reading up on the processes that
produce cheeses, yogurt, sour cream and other milk-based products.

Many lactose-intolerant people can manage yogurt because the enzyme needed
to digest lactose, missing in many adults, is produced as part of the
fermentation process by Lactobacillus acidophilus and others.

The reason real cheeses are lower-carb than the milk they are made from is
that lactose has largely been converted to lactic acid.

One cheese rule of thumb - any cheese product that has the word 'food' in
it, isn't.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
. ..
Does this newsgroup attract more than a fair share of hypochondriacs, or
what?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
nk.net...
On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such
cases
to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil
wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around
your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
. ..
Does this newsgroup attract more than a fair share of hypochondriacs, or
what?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
nk.net...
On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such
cases
to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil
wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain "around
your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

Shoot yourself. My family lives mostly witout it. We had to learn the hard
way mostly.

Some of my family (dairy farmers) live with some of their chest cavity's
removed but never had any ill effects from the Bovine Mucous they lived on
either.

The year one was given to live has become 15 years now. Funny, it is without
dairy and the farm is off dairy now and so is he.

"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
"David Wright" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
Gymmy Bob wrote:
I have observed the dairy products you list are all massively processed
products. They all just happen to be enzyme broken down calcium
molecules.

"Calcium molecules." I think we've just demonstrated how much Gymmy
Boob knows about chemistry.

This would definitely be much better than massive consumption of
poisonous
milk.

I never consume poisonous milk. I just consume the regular kind.

Milk is not for everyone. Even some children can't consume it without
adverse effects. But for those of us who do fine on it, kindly stop
making idiotic statements.


So what do you think about the pasteurization & homogenization processes?
A lot of people referred to it, that the white liquid in the plastic can
is
no longer milk.

Shoot yourself. My family lives mostly witout it. We had to learn the hard
way mostly.

Some of my family (dairy farmers) live with some of their chest cavity's
removed but never had any ill effects from the Bovine Mucous they lived on
either.

The year one was given to live has become 15 years now. Funny, it is without
dairy and the farm is off dairy now and so is he.

"J-S" wrote in message
ink.net...
"David Wright" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
Gymmy Bob wrote:
I have observed the dairy products you list are all massively processed
products. They all just happen to be enzyme broken down calcium
molecules.

"Calcium molecules." I think we've just demonstrated how much Gymmy
Boob knows about chemistry.

This would definitely be much better than massive consumption of
poisonous
milk.

I never consume poisonous milk. I just consume the regular kind.

Milk is not for everyone. Even some children can't consume it without
adverse effects. But for those of us who do fine on it, kindly stop
making idiotic statements.


So what do you think about the pasteurization & homogenization processes?
A lot of people referred to it, that the white liquid in the plastic can
is
no longer milk.

Lead the way.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW


"Gymmy Bob" wrote in message
news
Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
. ..
Does this newsgroup attract more than a fair share of hypochondriacs, or
what?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW


"J-S" wrote in message
nk.net...
On the subject of gall bladder not contracting:

Won't it be associated with the definite external symptoms?
Like decolouration of one's urine or stool?

I'm also reading that there are some herbal & mineral means in such
cases
to
force the contractions and gall disposal.
Like St.-John's wort or some mineral waters.


"Ignoramus11294" wrote in
message
...
In article , Patricia Heil
wrote:

I would get to my doctor as fast as I can because that pain
"around
your
liver" could be gall bladder disease from the fat in this diet.

Here's a quote that indicates the opposite:

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news...w-cal-diet.htm

``Following a diet too low in fat or going for long periods without
eating (skipping breakfast, for example), a common practice among
dieters, may also decrease gallbladder contractions. If the
gallbladder does not contract often enough to empty out the bile,
gallstones may form.''


Here's the list of causes of gallstones, none involves eating fat:

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddise...ones/index.htm

What causes gallstones?
Cholesterol Stones

Scientists believe cholesterol stones form when bile contains too
much
cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when
the
gallbladder does not empty as it should for some other reason.
Pigment Stones

The cause of pigment stones is uncertain. They tend to develop in
people who have cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary
blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia in which too much
bilirubin
is formed.
Other Factors

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more
gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to
gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

* Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones,
especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even
moderately overweight increases one's risk for developing
gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce
the
amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity
also decreases gallbladder emptying.

* Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement
therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol
levels
in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to
gallstones.

* Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to
secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the
highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of
Native
American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of
Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican
American men and women of all ages also have high rates of
gallstones.

* Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as
likely
to develop gallstones as men.

* Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones
than younger people.

* Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol
levels
in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in
bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

* Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of
fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the
risk
of gallstones.

* Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid
weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into
bile, which can cause gallstones.

* Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the
bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to
gallstones.

In article . net,
J-S wrote:
"David Wright" wrote in message
om...
In article ,
Gymmy Bob wrote:
I have observed the dairy products you list are all massively processed
products. They all just happen to be enzyme broken down calcium
molecules.

"Calcium molecules." I think we've just demonstrated how much Gymmy
Boob knows about chemistry.

This would definitely be much better than massive consumption of
poisonous
milk.

I never consume poisonous milk. I just consume the regular kind.

Milk is not for everyone. Even some children can't consume it without
adverse effects. But for those of us who do fine on it, kindly stop
making idiotic statements.

So what do you think about the pasteurization & homogenization processes?
A lot of people referred to it, that the white liquid in the plastic can is
no longer milk.

Yes, well, people say a lot of stupid things. Pasteurization isn't
necessary -- if you like playing Russian Roulette every time you take
a drink of milk. Homogenization isn't harmful, despite the panicky
reaction it elicits in "Dr" Cee. So I've got no problem with either
one. I'll admit that I do drink 1% milk, though. I decided I could
do just fine without the extra fat.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)