Bad Development: Sad realities of the post-month No-Carb/No-sugar diet

I'm 28. Mistyped probably, my mind is racing, I'm thinking about too many
things at the same time.
I'm not really in the joking mood at this point, and I don't belive anyone
could be making up stories like that.
I'm waking up with pain now.

"JayJay" wrote in message
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"J-S" wrote in message
hlink.net...

The odd thing is that it's the first time I have a medical problem ever
in
35 years. And I always ate whatever was available and never felt any
pains
of any kind.



Interesting....

Why is it your first post says you are a 28yo man, yet in this post you
haven't experienced a medical problem in 35yrs.

Doesn't bode well on my thoughts of you... me thinks you are trolling.

I'm 28. Mistyped probably, my mind is racing, I'm thinking about too many
things at the same time.
I'm not really in the joking mood at this point, and I don't belive anyone
could be making up stories like that.
I'm waking up with pain now.

"JayJay" wrote in message
...

"J-S" wrote in message
hlink.net...

The odd thing is that it's the first time I have a medical problem ever
in
35 years. And I always ate whatever was available and never felt any
pains
of any kind.



Interesting....

Why is it your first post says you are a 28yo man, yet in this post you
haven't experienced a medical problem in 35yrs.

Doesn't bode well on my thoughts of you... me thinks you are trolling.

J-S generously shared with us this little ditty:
I'm 28. Mistyped probably, my mind is racing, I'm thinking about too
many things at the same time.
I'm not really in the joking mood at this point, and I don't belive
anyone could be making up stories like that.

You would be surprised. Peruse the archives on various maladies posted
here. Many are outlandish tales from trolls. It's hard not to be
suspicious when we've been burned so many times.


I'm waking up with pain now.

Get a second opinion and get it now. Don't rely on us for a diagnosis,
especially if you are in pain. You ought to go back to that
hospital/doctor group and harrass them into doing their job right.

Gallbladder trouble isn't something that devleops quickly so your new
diet would have little to do with it directly-- as jamie says, lowfat
dieting is more likely to have set up the condition in the first place,
and changing your diet away from it (to anything else at all) would have
triggered the symptoms.

--
revek
"I think so, Brain, but *please* don't make me visualize what the
priest isn't wearing underneath his robe!"--from the Lost PatB archives

"J-S" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I'm no longer on a no-carb in the last weeks. Insterted cucumbers,
radishes,
coleslaw, beet & some other vegetables, since it's impossible to eat meat
and fish alone.

Gallstones usually manifest themselves with sharp pains after meal
consumption. My pain is more consistent and dull. Doctors in UC were
pretty
convinced that it wasn't the case.

Did they do an ultrasound on your gall bladder?
I just had a friend who had your symptoms and when she finally got an
ultrasound the 'wondering' was over. Now she has to decide if she want
surgery now or wait until it leave her wreathing in horrible constant pain
for hours.

"J-S" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I'm no longer on a no-carb in the last weeks. Insterted cucumbers,
radishes,
coleslaw, beet & some other vegetables, since it's impossible to eat meat
and fish alone.

Gallstones usually manifest themselves with sharp pains after meal
consumption. My pain is more consistent and dull. Doctors in UC were
pretty
convinced that it wasn't the case.

Did they do an ultrasound on your gall bladder?
I just had a friend who had your symptoms and when she finally got an
ultrasound the 'wondering' was over. Now she has to decide if she want
surgery now or wait until it leave her wreathing in horrible constant pain
for hours.

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 at 17:39:12, revek wrote:

Gallbladder trouble isn't something that devleops quickly so your new
diet would have little to do with it directly-- as jamie says, lowfat
dieting is more likely to have set up the condition in the first place,
and changing your diet away from it (to anything else at all) would have
triggered the symptoms.

While I agree and support those who encourage you to go and badger for a
second medical opinion, some years ago now I kept getting awful pains in
that area. An ultrasound showed nothing, and I now think that what I
had was what I believe is called intercostal cramp, some kind of muscle
spasm between the ribs. I still occasionally get it, sometimes when
bending forwards to tie my shoelaces, but it passes.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 at 17:39:12, revek wrote:

Gallbladder trouble isn't something that devleops quickly so your new
diet would have little to do with it directly-- as jamie says, lowfat
dieting is more likely to have set up the condition in the first place,
and changing your diet away from it (to anything else at all) would have
triggered the symptoms.

While I agree and support those who encourage you to go and badger for a
second medical opinion, some years ago now I kept getting awful pains in
that area. An ultrasound showed nothing, and I now think that what I
had was what I believe is called intercostal cramp, some kind of muscle
spasm between the ribs. I still occasionally get it, sometimes when
bending forwards to tie my shoelaces, but it passes.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 at 17:39:12, revek wrote:

Gallbladder trouble isn't something that devleops quickly so your new
diet would have little to do with it directly-- as jamie says, lowfat
dieting is more likely to have set up the condition in the first place,
and changing your diet away from it (to anything else at all) would have
triggered the symptoms.

While I agree and support those who encourage you to go and badger for a
second medical opinion, some years ago now I kept getting awful pains in
that area. An ultrasound showed nothing, and I now think that what I
had was what I believe is called intercostal cramp, some kind of muscle
spasm between the ribs. I still occasionally get it, sometimes when
bending forwards to tie my shoelaces, but it passes.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!

(jamie) wrote in message ...
J-S wrote:
Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff that
causes lower bile production?

It sounds like the correct area for the gall bladder. It's not clear
what you mean by medics excluding the stones, as it sounds gallstone
related. As bile is released for the purpose of digesting fats,
I suspect the mineral water doing anything for it is myth.

If you went from another diet/style of eating, especially low-fat,
and changed to low-carb, you may have crystallized bile (stones) in
your gall bladder due to not eating much fat and not releasing much
bile. Then eating the amount of fats in a low-carb diet is causing
pain as the stones are interfering with bile release, or being pushed
into the duct. Going off a low-fat diet is often a trigger for
gallstone problems.

Meanwhile gallbladder and liver "flushes" you'll find on the net are
a load of bull. They produce floating, round soft blobs from the
solution of oil, epsom salts and lemon/grapefruit that you drink in
these flushes, which are claimed to be gallstones -- real gallstones
are hard and faceted.

I agree that it might be gallstones. You don't mention your age, but
after 40 almost everyone has them, it's just a matter of whether or
not they get stuck in the bile duct. The stones themselves don't
generally cause a problem as long as they stay in the gall bladder.
You need to see an gastroenterologist and get an ultrasound of your
gall bladder pronto.

(jamie) wrote in message ...
J-S wrote:
Yesterday, when I ate fried fish with beet salad and didn't take the
vitamin, got a vicious reaction - pain in various spots in the proximity of
right lower ribs echoing into belly, lot's of burbing. It calmed down a bit
after I drank couple of mugs of tea, ate some white cheese and took the
vitamin.

If that's an overproduction of bile that's causing this (medics excluded the
bladder stones), is there a way to alter the diet to balance it?
Should I try to stimulate the bladder contractions or instead eat stuff that
causes lower bile production?

It sounds like the correct area for the gall bladder. It's not clear
what you mean by medics excluding the stones, as it sounds gallstone
related. As bile is released for the purpose of digesting fats,
I suspect the mineral water doing anything for it is myth.

If you went from another diet/style of eating, especially low-fat,
and changed to low-carb, you may have crystallized bile (stones) in
your gall bladder due to not eating much fat and not releasing much
bile. Then eating the amount of fats in a low-carb diet is causing
pain as the stones are interfering with bile release, or being pushed
into the duct. Going off a low-fat diet is often a trigger for
gallstone problems.

Meanwhile gallbladder and liver "flushes" you'll find on the net are
a load of bull. They produce floating, round soft blobs from the
solution of oil, epsom salts and lemon/grapefruit that you drink in
these flushes, which are claimed to be gallstones -- real gallstones
are hard and faceted.

I agree that it might be gallstones. You don't mention your age, but
after 40 almost everyone has them, it's just a matter of whether or
not they get stuck in the bile duct. The stones themselves don't
generally cause a problem as long as they stay in the gall bladder.
You need to see an gastroenterologist and get an ultrasound of your
gall bladder pronto.