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Old February 2nd, 2010, 12:42 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

In article
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Wildbilly wrote:

In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

In article
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Wildbilly wrote:

In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

In article
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Wildbilly wrote:

Oh, be sure to bring money.

Eating, you know, isn't rocket science. People have been eating for
thousands of years without getting fat. Our hunter/gatherer
ancestors
didn't go out with shopping lists. They pretty much ate what was
available, whether the stars were aligned or not, but of course
they
didn't eat junk food made from refined grains, corn syrup, and soy
oil,
that over feeds and undernourishes so many today.


Refined grains aren't much better; they are pretty much all glucose
with
a minimal amount of fibre.

And the germ, which is a source for vitamins and minerals. At least
they
are free from fructose.

Otherwise, glucose (1) triggers insulin, which is important in fat
transport, (2) causes glycation of proteins, impeding the metabolism,
(3) raises Very Low Density Lipids (triglycerides) which causes
atherosclerosis. So you can see that avoiding sugar spikes is a good
thing.

I've read the nutrition panels for whole grains, and I am not impressed.
Perhaps the germ and husks are useful. Otherwise, it all starch which is
immediately transformed into glucose.

Albeit, it may be necessary to eat grains for economic reasons. (

See _The Low Starch Diabetes Solution_ (blurbs below)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570767/

http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/rob...ch-diabetes-so
lution/_/R-400000000000000178795

Thesis: Aside from sodas, fruit juice, ice cream and a few other foods
sugar is not the culprit, starch is, because we (Typical SAD eaters) eat
much more starch than sugar (except for above). If sugar is in starchy
food then it's bad. The Author does not talk about sweet and sour
sources that hide the sweetness of sugar, but he does talk about cold
and how it blocks the taste of sugar. Also the malt in beer, I do
believe he mentions as a bad thing for diabetics and pre diabetics.


I have to think that the "good" doctor is pandering to diabetics and
over-weight people. "Dr. Thompson has changed the way we think about
treating diabetes--and kept his own under control for ten years--with
his focus on starch, not sugar, as the number-one cause behind this
chronic condition." The preceding statement looks as if it is saying
that if one gives up potatoes, you can eat ice cream.


Actually, he states ice cream as a special case to avoid, but yes, it's
even worse than sodas.


This information isn't at the site given above for the book.
"In six easy steps, you will learn to eliminate the harmful effects of
dietary starch and keep your blood sugar levels perfect while enjoying
satisfying amounts of delicious food (including chocolate!)."

Satisfying amounts to me is a half gallon of chocolate based, gourmet
ice cream, and a spoon;O)


Anything beyond a very small amount of carbohydrates, including sugar,
is bad for us. Additionally, fructose (hugh fructose corn syrup and
table sugar) puts a strain on our livers. "The livers of the rats on the
high fructose diet looked like the livers of alcoholics, plugged with
fat and cirrhotic.( Forristal, Linda (Fall 2001). "The Murky World of
High-Fructose Corn Syrup". Weston A. Price Foundation.) Fructose tastes
sweeter than glucose, but doesn't give the feeling of satiety that
glucose does, which encourages greater consumption of sugary, starchy
foods --- obesity.

I'm not well enough read, yet, to know where the lower level of carb
consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater
your chances of extending your life.

--
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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

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Old February 2nd, 2010, 01:17 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Wildbilly wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Wildbilly wrote:

I'm not well enough read, yet, to know where the lower level of carb
consumption is (perhaps no carbs), but the less you eat, the greater
your chances of extending your life.


Keep reading and you'll find that there are limits to lower being
better. Being still over 100 you're still in the range that lower is
better. By the time you get to around 50 grams per day going lower is
not any better. Higher drop out rates and all sorts of other issues.


What do these arguments have to do with nutrition, Doug? What happens at
below 50 g/day?


Study after study has been done about the 20 gram per day level. Some
of the studies are to show that low carbing is better, some to show it's
worse than other plans. The studies show both sides of that coin. Good
loss, bad mood (Susan likes to write about cortisol). Thyriod T3 drops
after two weeks of very low calorie dieting but that also happens with
low carb dieting under specific conditions. Basically as the levels get
low enough to be called extreme problems start coming up that need
control that's more careful and detailed than almost any dieter is
willing to do or knows to do.

To get to no carbs at all it takes an extremist approach that requires
great care to get enough vitamins. The traditional cutlrues that eat
like that consider seal eyeballs a delicacy for example. I'll pass. ;^)
I'll have half of my plate be low carb veggies, thanks.


Get to the extreme of eating zero grams of carb and the control needs to
include eating raw seal meat and seal eyeballs. Who would know that if
they weren't raised among the Inuit?

As mentioned in Taube's book, "Good Calorie, Bad Calories"
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm
Supplemental vitamins not needed.


Apparently, the meat doesn't need to be raw, if you aren't eating carbs,
at least according to Stefansson, or Taubes. This unnerved some of my
biologist friends too, so I guess it needs to be nailed down, one way or
the other.

At least you won't get "The Western Disease" (a.k.a. Metabolic Syndrome)
from an Inuit diet.


But you don't get Metabloic Syndrome from eating lots of veggies to put
you in the 50-100 gram per day range either.

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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

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Old February 2nd, 2010, 10:00 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Walter Bushell
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Default WEIGHT - Fat Loss 4 Idiots (Weight Loss & Diet Center)

In article
,
Wildbilly wrote:

This information isn't at the site given above for the book.
"In six easy steps, you will learn to eliminate the harmful effects of
dietary starch and keep your blood sugar levels perfect while enjoying
satisfying amounts of delicious food (including chocolate!)."

Satisfying amounts to me is a half gallon of chocolate based, gourmet
ice cream, and a spoon;O)


I don't know if there is a satisfying amount of ice cream for me.
Perhaps dark chocolate would work.

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