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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
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Hueyduck wrote: bob abrams a écrit : Billy wrote: If you eat dry beans or raw potatoes, you probably don't need to count all the carbs. Leafy vegetables are what they are (cellulose), cooked or not. Thanks for the note. I am assuming that when you say dry beans you mean the beans would be boiled and then eaten--I can't think of any other way to eat them but want to be clear. I can do without the raw potatoes! I think Billy's pulling your leg. He means that if you eat raw beans and raw potatoes, you don't need to count the carb because... you won't digest them at all :-)) (and btw: it will hurt). Btw, you will have more of an answer if you look for "glycemic index" of raw vegetable compared to the same vegetables cooked. Many vegetables keep their content in glucide from one state to another, but the availability of the sugars changes. Carots are a good example. Huey Definitely pulling your leg on potatoes and dry beans but not on leafy vegetables. You may want to look at carbohydrates at http://beaninstitute.com/whats-in-a-...ean-chemistry/ and read about resistant starches. Different methods of cooking affect their formation. The more resistant starches, the less dietary starches. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
FOB wrote:
If you want beans that are low carb look for Eden's Black Soy Beans (canned). They taste very good and are low in carbs and high in protein. You can buy them online: http://www.edenfoods.com/store/produ...ucts_id=103050 They have dry ones, too, if you're into more work: http://www.edenfoods.com/store/produ...ucts_id=102814 bob abrams wrote: | Hi | I am trying to find out if the carb content of foods changes when it | is cooked. Things like greens-celery, chard, escarole, etc- for soup. | Seems to be a lot going on in the kettle so something must be | happening! | | I would love to find that beans like great northern have a reduced | content as that would really add to the soup I use for most of my | hopefully low carb meals....this weeks is swiss chard, escarole, | spices, about 1/4 pound of broken up ground beef all in beef broth. | I am thinking this is about 5 or 6 carbs per cup or small bowl. | Hopefully I am high! | Thanks | Joe Thanks for the time |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Billy wrote: bob abrams wrote: I am assuming that when you say dry beans you mean the beans would be boiled and then eaten--I can't think of any other way to eat them but want to be clear. Look for specialty items and it's possible to find flour that was ground from dried soy beans and likely other legumes. No, I meant dry beans. I presume that they would be taken like pills. In the case of fava beans their powder is toxic. How much that extends to other legumes I don't know but it's enough that at least one paleolithic plans suggests avoiding any legume. I think as long as the final product is cooked and I have legumes as a small fraction of my calories I'm okay. The idea would to digest them, before they convert to starch. Sadly, I don't see any recipes for them. Might be a bit tricky, though, when they start to swell up. Should be good fiber;O) Cooking shouldn't change the carb content of the food, but it may make it more accessible. I am looking for some bean taste and 'chewieness' like the cooked white beans give. I think I will try the black soybeans but, in general, I have been disappointed in the taste department with anything soybean. Thanks for the post |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
Bill who putters wrote:
The only legume I enjoy raw are snow peas. Cook them too. Some of the string beans cooked and pickled were good as well. Three bean salad comes to mind. Favas not eaten here but this will be remedied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba How would you like to define a legume? If you define it in botanical terms then anything from the plants will count as legumes. Snow peas and string beans are legumes by this definition. If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. Also notice that the carb count for snow peas and string beans are lower than the carb count of the dried ones. Also note that the paleolithic plans that do not allow the dried legumes do allow the fresh ones. For low carbing purposes the second definition is more useful. For my purposes I don't count snow peas or string beans as legumes. I count them by their relative carb count so for me they are in the same list of low carb veggies with brocolli and asparagus. |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
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Doug Freyburger wrote: If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. So time and dehydration effect the carb perception but I wonder about the nutrition. I used to think of life force but I digress. Sort of suggests that living plant life is lower carb and that seeds are rich in carb issues. Bottom line living plants may be of more import for carb counting folks. Interesting how a plant food values can change and then there is cooking to mudding the waters and all the food preservation we encounter these days. -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden What use one more wake up call? http://www.thesunmagazine.org/ many stars |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
Bill who putters wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. So time and dehydration effect the carb perception but I wonder about the nutrition. As the beans mature they concentrate their stored energy and also start to dry. It's a matter of how their life cycle works. I used to think of life force but I digress. Sort of suggests that living plant life is lower carb and that seeds are rich in carb issues. Bottom line living plants may be of more import for carb counting folks. That argument has both spiritual components that are matters of wide disagreement and freshness that is widely agreed upon. I mostly discuss spiritual issues on other newsgroups. Thor likes coffee. I've never asked him why but it's long been clear that he enjoys it when it is shared with him. The old tradition is that he likes dark beer. That's higher in carb but Guinness isn't any higher in carb than most see through beers so it's not all that bad to share a Guinness with Redbeard every week or so. |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Bill who putters wrote: The only legume I enjoy raw are snow peas. Cook them too. Some of the string beans cooked and pickled were good as well. Three bean salad comes to mind. Favas not eaten here but this will be remedied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba How would you like to define a legume? If you define it in botanical terms then anything from the plants will count as legumes. Snow peas and string beans are legumes by this definition. If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. Also notice that the carb count for snow peas and string beans are lower than the carb count of the dried ones. Also note that the paleolithic plans that do not allow the dried legumes do allow the fresh ones. For low carbing purposes the second definition is more useful. For my purposes I don't count snow peas or string beans as legumes. I count them by their relative carb count so for me they are in the same list of low carb veggies with brocolli and asparagus. Snow peas brings something to me that I can enjoy. Thanks. |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
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bob abrams wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: Bill who putters wrote: The only legume I enjoy raw are snow peas. Cook them too. Some of the string beans cooked and pickled were good as well. Three bean salad comes to mind. Favas not eaten here but this will be remedied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba How would you like to define a legume? If you define it in botanical terms then anything from the plants will count as legumes. Snow peas and string beans are legumes by this definition. If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. Also notice that the carb count for snow peas and string beans are lower than the carb count of the dried ones. Also note that the paleolithic plans that do not allow the dried legumes do allow the fresh ones. For low carbing purposes the second definition is more useful. For my purposes I don't count snow peas or string beans as legumes. I count them by their relative carb count so for me they are in the same list of low carb veggies with brocolli and asparagus. Snow peas brings something to me that I can enjoy. Thanks. The you may enjoy this as well. http://www.theproducehunter.com/productdisplay.asp?ID=2275 http://www.flavorandfortune.com/dataaccess/article.php?ID=307 -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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Looking for info on carb value of cooked vegetables
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, Billy wrote: In article , bob abrams wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: Bill who putters wrote: The only legume I enjoy raw are snow peas. Cook them too. Some of the string beans cooked and pickled were good as well. Three bean salad comes to mind. Favas not eaten here but this will be remedied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba How would you like to define a legume? If you define it in botanical terms then anything from the plants will count as legumes. Snow peas and string beans are legumes by this definition. If you define it as the dried seeds from the pods, then only dried beans, peas and lentils count. Because the fresh snow peas and string beans are edible raw they would not count. Also notice that the carb count for snow peas and string beans are lower than the carb count of the dried ones. Also note that the paleolithic plans that do not allow the dried legumes do allow the fresh ones. For low carbing purposes the second definition is more useful. For my purposes I don't count snow peas or string beans as legumes. I count them by their relative carb count so for me they are in the same list of low carb veggies with brocolli and asparagus. Snow peas brings something to me that I can enjoy. Thanks. The you may enjoy this as well. http://www.theproducehunter.com/productdisplay.asp?ID=2275 http://www.flavorandfortune.com/dataaccess/article.php?ID=307 Always ate snow peas as a sort of garden nibble. "ou miao or pea shoots, like many Asian vegetables, go by a confusing number of names. Some people call them 'pea vines' others say 'pea tips,' still others call them 'pea stems.' Because they are the tender tips of the edible pea plant--the top several leaves and the tendril that ends the vine, different names are used. " I'll second the notion about being confusing. Which brings me to a favorite most likely untrue story. Why did the classical Chinese sciences not have a strong interest in botany? Cause they always wondered what it would taste like. -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden What use one more wake up call? http://www.thesunmagazine.org/ |
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