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  #21  
Old January 18th, 2008, 01:02 AM posted to alt.support.diet
honeybunch
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On Jan 12, 9:10*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:29*pm, "Manco" wrote:

It's truly amazing but I thought up until recently that eggs were "bad"
because of the cholesterol. But in fact, I keep reading that by themselves
they have no detrimental effects unless consumed in huge quantities. Amazing
how society can get crazy about a notion for such a long time. Now I'm going
to incorporate eggs in my diet(not just 2 a week).


They aren't that great unless you remove the yolk. Sure you can eat
them, but they are loaded with cholesterol. No nutritionists or doctor
I know says to eat a lot of egg yolk, although if you limit yourself
to a few a week and don't have a history of heart disease it may not
kill you. That is hardly an endorsement for eggs though. dkw


Dkw I think you are great. There is a thread here about how nasty and
rude people have become so please ignore the turkeys. YOu helped me
last fall when I was trying to lose 10 pounds. I lost it and it has
stayed off .XX Thank you again. Please stay as you are and don't
change. I totally agree with you about the egg yolk.
  #22  
Old January 18th, 2008, 10:58 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Cubit
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"honeybunch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 9:10 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:29 pm, "Manco" wrote:

It's truly amazing but I thought up until recently that eggs were "bad"
because of the cholesterol. But in fact, I keep reading that by
themselves
they have no detrimental effects unless consumed in huge quantities.
Amazing
how society can get crazy about a notion for such a long time. Now I'm
going
to incorporate eggs in my diet(not just 2 a week).


They aren't that great unless you remove the yolk. Sure you can eat
them, but they are loaded with cholesterol. No nutritionists or doctor
I know says to eat a lot of egg yolk, although if you limit yourself
to a few a week and don't have a history of heart disease it may not
kill you. That is hardly an endorsement for eggs though. dkw


Dkw I think you are great. There is a thread here about how nasty and
rude people have become so please ignore the turkeys. YOu helped me
last fall when I was trying to lose 10 pounds. I lost it and it has
stayed off .XX Thank you again. Please stay as you are and don't
change. I totally agree with you about the egg yolk.

*********
new response:
Fear of eggs is a bad yolk.

Why, oh why, is my outlook express not adding the arrow things in
re-replies? Replies to OPs are working right.


  #23  
Old January 19th, 2008, 05:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Cubit
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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wrote:
Manco wrote:

Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


I laughed like a lunatic at the joke. Thanks.

I think the results from the National Weight Control Registry say
different (average weight loss 66 lb, kept off for 5.5 years). People
on the Registry (myself included) have these things in common:

They eat breakfast.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - Keep hunger from
gradually eroding motivation.

They exercise.


Only the rare person has any down side to this major contributor
to health.

They weigh themselves regularly.


These data points should apply across the board. And also
since they are about maintenance whether they apply during
the loss phases is questionable: Weighing regularly tends to
be a point of obession among newbies but a point of matter
of fact among oldbies for example. Time on plan matters.

They eat a low calorie, low fat diet, which is actually relatively
high in carbs.


This was caused by a bias in their questionaire. I don't know if it
is
still the case but for years there was literally no way to inform them
that you used low carb. I knew some low carbers who registered
and did their best but ended up being falsely listed as low fatters,
and I knew some (including myself) who read their questionaire
and declined because we couldn't say we were low carbers. Even
if they now can get low carb answers, their prior bias filtered out
a lot of potential registrants.

They dropped all data from low carbers therefore their conclusions
about low fat are not of value. Sure, some folks use low fat to
lose and maintain; it's as crazy to say low fat works for no one as
to say it works for everyone. But dropping all data from low carbers
and then concluding that successfull maintenance requires low fat
is a nonsense conclusion.


Doug is right. I'm in the registry. The questionnaire is biased. I'm
sticking with the updates, since in time they may review their work to
correct for their mistakes. Well, they might.

A typical low carber confronted by the questionnaire would throw the
paperwork away. The data is skewed.


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Old January 19th, 2008, 05:25 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Cubit
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"Rachael Reynolds" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Manco wrote:

Actually low-carb is the ONLY way long-term to keep the weight off and
everyone with any intelligence greater then a chimp KNOWS this.


I laughed like a lunatic at the joke. Thanks.

I think the results from the National Weight Control Registry say
different (average weight loss 66 lb, kept off for 5.5 years). People
on the Registry (myself included) have these things in common:

They eat breakfast.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - Keep hunger from
gradually eroding motivation.

They exercise.


Only the rare person has any down side to this major contributor
to health.

They weigh themselves regularly.


These data points should apply across the board. And also
since they are about maintenance whether they apply during
the loss phases is questionable: Weighing regularly tends to
be a point of obession among newbies but a point of matter
of fact among oldbies for example. Time on plan matters.

They eat a low calorie, low fat diet, which is actually relatively
high in carbs.


This was caused by a bias in their questionaire. I don't know if it
is
still the case but for years there was literally no way to inform them
that you used low carb. I knew some low carbers who registered
and did their best but ended up being falsely listed as low fatters,
and I knew some (including myself) who read their questionaire
and declined because we couldn't say we were low carbers. Even
if they now can get low carb answers, their prior bias filtered out
a lot of potential registrants.

They dropped all data from low carbers therefore their conclusions
about low fat are not of value. Sure, some folks use low fat to
lose and maintain; it's as crazy to say low fat works for no one as
to say it works for everyone. But dropping all data from low carbers
and then concluding that successfull maintenance requires low fat
is a nonsense conclusion.


I filled in the forms and can't remember if it was biased or not but the
main problem is it is a self selecting sample. They themselves don't
claim it to be otherwise but the results when used out of context can
imply it is a scientific study.

Rachael


Epidemiology is almost always an art and should not be called science.


  #25  
Old October 4th, 2008, 09:39 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Losher Ooka
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On 2008-01-14, Elizabeth Blake wrote:
"Cynthia P" wrote in message
. ..

I agree with the survival part, but there's nothing wrong with
healthy
high cal foods if used in moderation. The trick is to learn to be
happy with the more moderate amounts.


I think this is the part that the current population of Earth has
forgotten.

I'm not doing low carb or low fat, I'm more of a moderate person,
but
if one was doing low carb, the egg yolk would not be a problem. And
if
one is scared of too many saturated fats, omega3 eggs do cut back
on
that, while supplying the good fats.


A few years ago when I started to lose weight I did stick with very
low fat eating, and I did lose weight. I still watch my fat intake
but I don't automatically pass up food just because it has some fat.
My reason for trying to decrease my fat intake is because I can eat a
larger volume of food if I cut down on fat calories. But, I also
don't just want to eat buckets of green beans and broccoli either so
I do have fat but I watch the amounts.

I've never bought the omega 3 eggs but next time I get a craving for
hard boiled eggs I'll look for them.


I love devilled eggs (hard boiled eggs mashed with mayo). I use 3 eggs
and throw two of the yolks away, then mash them it all down with Kraft
non-fat mayo: it hits the spot...

Looking at the nutritional info for Eggland's best, from Safeway, and
each whole egg has only 1g of saturated fat (4g fat total), which is
low by any standards.

It's true that the cholesterol content is a tad high (175mg per egg)
but I thought the conventional wisdom now is that the cholesterol you
eat doesn't actually raise serum cholesterol much if at all (and not
nearly as much as saturated fat does) so it's not really a
consideration. The same reasoning applies to shrimp, I believe
(reference?).

So it looks to me like three eggs (even with the yolks) is actually
still less sat. fat than, say, a single slice of cheese! I think they
get an (undeservedly) bad rap...

Losher
 




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