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Old December 16th, 2003, 12:15 AM
gman99
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wrote:
I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.

I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.

As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?


Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!

If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!

Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of
people...it's THAT freakin' simple !!
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Old December 16th, 2003, 02:37 AM
Thorsten Schier
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Lyle McDonald schrieb:

Lady o' the house wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.


At least one of those errors could do severe harm to the reader, though.
They erroneously believe that alpha linolenic acid slows down the
eicosanoid synthesis pathway. This, however, is only true for those
eicosanoids that are synthesized from linoleic acid. They seem to be
unware that there is also a pathway from alpha linolenic acid to certain
eicosanoids and those eicosanoids act predominantly anti-inflammatory
and do all the other things the Eades attribute to the "good"
eicosanoids.

So everyone who follows their advice to avoid alpha linolenic acid would
do himself a disservice. The importance of alpha linolenic acid is also
clear from many studies like the Lion Diet Heart Study or the Nurses'
Health Study.

Thorsten

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Old December 16th, 2003, 03:27 AM
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SNIP

Where was all the concern about the high-carb diets?

Where was all the concern about the no-fat diets?

Proton Soup


Exactly. Nutritionists HATE Atkins because it demonstrates that the whole
food pyramid thing - the central tenet of many nutritionists beliefs - is
absolute crap.

Further, many nutritionists have some sort of ecological axe to grind where
they encourage us to eat less meat and more rabbit food.

Low fat diets fitted into the food pyramid theory and their political
beliefs, so nutritionists generally support them. Low carb diets do not.
Rather than change their theories to fit into the facts obseved by millions
of dieters world-wide, they invent concerns which they never expressed for
other diets or simply deny that the diets work.

Peter Webb





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Old December 16th, 2003, 08:03 AM
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"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:35 GMT, wrote:
I'm all for low carb, in a modified sort of way. Cutting out the
sugar, bleached flour and other crappy foods out of the diet, will
tend to lead a person to follow a modified low carb diet. If you are
going to eat bread - make it wholesome, whole grain bread. Not white
bread. If you want to eat somethign sweet, go for a piece of fruit,
not a sugar cookie.



Sounds like my diet. Eat whole foods and forget processed foods high in fat
and sugar.


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Old December 16th, 2003, 12:09 PM
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Lyle McDonald wrote:


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.


Oh no, toss them both out and try the Cabbage Soup or was that
dingleberry torts? Save your money, add exercise and eat a balanced
diet less simple carbs. Whether P. T. Barum said it or not but the
quote still has merit - there's a sucker born every minute. Ya
gotta love freedom of speech regardless of facts.

Since weight watchers is included in the groups it's the closest of
any to a sane way to eat.


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Old December 16th, 2003, 02:41 PM
Tom Morley
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Lyle McDonald wrote:
Lady o' the house wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).



No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.

Lyle


Atkins was his own worst enemy.


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Old December 16th, 2003, 03:36 PM
Robert Dorf
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:41:31 GMT, Tom Morley
wrote:



Lyle McDonald wrote:
Lady o' the house wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).



No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.

Lyle


Atkins was his own worst enemy.


Though the hunchback with the trench coat and the chain saw ran a
close second.
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Old December 16th, 2003, 05:46 PM
Steve Knight
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O
You take those same calories and reduce fat intake and simple carbs while
keeping those important complex carbs, you are still gonna lose about the
same amount of weight over a 12 month period. Most studies prove this.

Either way, exercising is crucial and many of those on low carb plans forget
that. When exercising you NEED complex carbs...the good carbs.



why do you need those important Complex carbs??? most of them don't have much
nutritional value and they are high in calories. You can burn fat just fine. I
know many people who have more energy not eating carbs then when they ate them.
they can actually work out harder.
we did not evolve eating bread. most of our carbs in the wild would have bene
from fruits and veggies that were scrounged. no from wonder bread or grains.
Plus is something that rots your teeth good for you?

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Old December 16th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Steve Knight
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:14:20 GMT, "Lady o' the house"
wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.


I found when I stopped eating grains I became allergic to them.
I find I need some carbs I just don't eat enough fat for energy. once I
started riding my bike 20 miles a day I find before each ride 10 miles each way
for commuting I need to eat 3 pieces of fruit. Plus beans in my diet. that works
for me.
the weird thing is I don't even seem to get energy when I eat grains or sugar.

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Old December 16th, 2003, 05:56 PM
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Doug Freese wrote in message . ..
Lyle McDonald wrote:


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.


Oh no, toss them both out and try the Cabbage Soup or was that
dingleberry torts? Save your money, add exercise and eat a balanced
diet less simple carbs.


well duh.... the whole debate is about what is a balanced diet.
according to the mainstream it is 60 plus percent carbs, according to
the low-carbers it is 40% or less. But I guess it doesn't matter as
long you deeply believe it is a truly balanced diet then the belief
will be enough to make you healthy and thin, eh?

And you say eat less simple carbs, eh? So complex carbs are acceptable
even if the GI-load or the calorie count is significantly higher than
some simple carbs?

On both recomendations, you've completely missed the mark.

Whether P. T. Barum said it or not but the
quote still has merit - there's a sucker born every minute. Ya
gotta love freedom of speech regardless of facts.

Since weight watchers is included in the groups it's the closest of
any to a sane way to eat.


P.T. was right. The mainstream has been pushing the
low-fat/low-calorie idea for 100 years and we have never been fatter.
Many recent studies on low-carb diets have got the mainstream
scratching their heads in utter confusion and mumbling about how the
data is not what they expected and how low-carb/high-fat/high-protein
diets are supposed to worsen blood lipids and not make them better and
how a higher calorie low-carb diet is supposed to cause more weight
gain or less weight loss than the studies show. Every single one of
them are trying their darndest to make sense of why their fundamental
science is being turned on its head. Suckers, all of them. They
believe in the *big nutrition lie*, that calories are all and that all
we need to do is eat less and exercise more without regard for high-GI
carbs. P.T. was right, there are millions like you out there who
utterly refuse to see the simple reality of it all.

TC
 




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