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Hannah Gruen wrote:
Another, similar theory is that the tendency to develop insulin resistance was actually a helpful adaptation for early humans who may have been faced with feast/famine situations. Insulin resistance helped keep individuals from storing too much fat during periods when food was very abundant. Excessive obesity would have been a handicap for hunter/gatherers in obtaining food, especially in lean periods when more effort would have been required. So as an adaptation to avoid super obesity, insulin resistance would seem to have played a helpful role. The problem for us in the modern world is that we never have lean periods following the periods of abundant food, and the insulin resistance gets out of control, overwhelming the pancreas' ability to produce insulin and causing the chronic hyperglycemia we call diabetes. Seems plausible to me I guess. The genetic tendency to develop insulin resistance seems so widespread it seems kind of logical that there must have been something about it that helped survival. I'm not following what you're saying. If insulin resistance promotes more fat storage, how did it prevent excess fat storage? -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Obese child abuse.
"jamie" wrote in message
... Hannah Gruen wrote: Another, similar theory is that the tendency to develop insulin resistance was actually a helpful adaptation for early humans who may have been faced with feast/famine situations. Insulin resistance helped keep individuals from storing too much fat during periods when food was very abundant. Excessive obesity would have been a handicap for hunter/gatherers in obtaining food, especially in lean periods when more effort would have been required. So as an adaptation to avoid super obesity, insulin resistance would seem to have played a helpful role. The problem for us in the modern world is that we never have lean periods following the periods of abundant food, and the insulin resistance gets out of control, overwhelming the pancreas' ability to produce insulin and causing the chronic hyperglycemia we call diabetes. Seems plausible to me I guess. The genetic tendency to develop insulin resistance seems so widespread it seems kind of logical that there must have been something about it that helped survival. I'm not following what you're saying. If insulin resistance promotes more fat storage, how did it prevent excess fat storage? It's the insulin itself that promotes fat storage. Insulin resistance actually serves to slow the storage rate down somewhat, particularly when it becomes severe. If you buy in to that theory, increasing IR is the reason we didn't all just keep gaining and gaining and gaining until we weighed 500 pounds. Most of us tended to top off somewhere in the 200-300+ pound range. Certainly there are a lot of exceptions to this, like the 600+ pound folks who make news when they need to be taken to the hospital. But most people don't get to that size. Anyway, I'm not sure whether I buy into this theory of the origin of IR. But there is a kind of logic to it that doesn't allow me to dismiss it. HG |
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Obese child abuse.
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Lady Veteran wrote: On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:49:29 +1000, "Ben Gussey" wrote: "Richard Bray" wrote in message . .. So? Did you do anything? Did you walk up to the woman and scream, "You sickening fat ugly piece of ****! I hate looking at you and I hate what you've done to yourself and what you're doing to your child, and I hate thinking that your medical problems will clog up the medical system and increase costs for me and decent people like me!" Did you? She probably would've eaten him. Not without salt and pepper. Idiots, like clowns, taste funny. Sounds more like she'd have used a few gallons of chocolate sauce. Seth -- "There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi. |
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Lady Veteran wrote: On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:49:29 +1000, "Ben Gussey" wrote: "Richard Bray" wrote in message . .. So? Did you do anything? Did you walk up to the woman and scream, "You sickening fat ugly piece of ****! I hate looking at you and I hate what you've done to yourself and what you're doing to your child, and I hate thinking that your medical problems will clog up the medical system and increase costs for me and decent people like me!" Did you? She probably would've eaten him. Not without salt and pepper. Idiots, like clowns, taste funny. Sounds more like she'd have used a few gallons of chocolate sauce. Seth -- "There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi. |
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Priscilla H Ballou wrote: In alt.support.diet.low-carb Hugh Beyer wrote: Oh yeah, the folks here are violently opposed to everything "fat acceptance" implies or stands for. Ah, yes. The truly compassionate stance. Well, yes. We want people to be healthy, and to improve their conditions. Seth -- "People that don't listen to me live to regret it." -- Will Brink |
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Priscilla H Ballou wrote: In alt.support.diet.low-carb Hugh Beyer wrote: Oh yeah, the folks here are violently opposed to everything "fat acceptance" implies or stands for. Ah, yes. The truly compassionate stance. Well, yes. We want people to be healthy, and to improve their conditions. Seth -- "People that don't listen to me live to regret it." -- Will Brink |
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