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Old August 12th, 2004, 09:50 AM
jamie
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Hannah Gruen wrote:
Another, similar theory is that the tendency to develop insulin resistance
was actually a helpful adaptation for early humans who may have been faced
with feast/famine situations. Insulin resistance helped keep individuals
from storing too much fat during periods when food was very abundant.
Excessive obesity would have been a handicap for hunter/gatherers in
obtaining food, especially in lean periods when more effort would have been
required. So as an adaptation to avoid super obesity, insulin resistance
would seem to have played a helpful role.

The problem for us in the modern world is that we never have lean periods
following the periods of abundant food, and the insulin resistance gets out
of control, overwhelming the pancreas' ability to produce insulin and
causing the chronic hyperglycemia we call diabetes.

Seems plausible to me I guess. The genetic tendency to develop insulin
resistance seems so widespread it seems kind of logical that there must have
been something about it that helped survival.


I'm not following what you're saying. If insulin resistance promotes
more fat storage, how did it prevent excess fat storage?

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Old August 12th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Hannah Gruen
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"jamie" wrote in message
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Hannah Gruen wrote:
Another, similar theory is that the tendency to develop insulin

resistance
was actually a helpful adaptation for early humans who may have been

faced
with feast/famine situations. Insulin resistance helped keep individuals
from storing too much fat during periods when food was very abundant.
Excessive obesity would have been a handicap for hunter/gatherers in
obtaining food, especially in lean periods when more effort would have

been
required. So as an adaptation to avoid super obesity, insulin resistance
would seem to have played a helpful role.

The problem for us in the modern world is that we never have lean

periods
following the periods of abundant food, and the insulin resistance gets

out
of control, overwhelming the pancreas' ability to produce insulin and
causing the chronic hyperglycemia we call diabetes.

Seems plausible to me I guess. The genetic tendency to develop insulin
resistance seems so widespread it seems kind of logical that there must

have
been something about it that helped survival.


I'm not following what you're saying. If insulin resistance promotes
more fat storage, how did it prevent excess fat storage?


It's the insulin itself that promotes fat storage. Insulin resistance
actually serves to slow the storage rate down somewhat, particularly when it
becomes severe. If you buy in to that theory, increasing IR is the reason we
didn't all just keep gaining and gaining and gaining until we weighed 500
pounds. Most of us tended to top off somewhere in the 200-300+ pound range.
Certainly there are a lot of exceptions to this, like the 600+ pound folks
who make news when they need to be taken to the hospital. But most people
don't get to that size.

Anyway, I'm not sure whether I buy into this theory of the origin of IR. But
there is a kind of logic to it that doesn't allow me to dismiss it.

HG


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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:07 AM
Seth Breidbart
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In article ,
Lady Veteran wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:49:29 +1000, "Ben Gussey"
wrote:
"Richard Bray" wrote in message
. ..

So? Did you do anything? Did you walk up to the woman and
scream, "You sickening fat ugly piece of ****! I hate looking at
you and I hate what you've done to yourself and what you're doing
to your child, and I hate thinking that your medical problems will
clog up the
medical system and increase costs for me and decent people like
me!" Did you?


She probably would've eaten him.


Not without salt and pepper. Idiots, like clowns, taste funny.


Sounds more like she'd have used a few gallons of chocolate sauce.

Seth
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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:07 AM
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In article ,
Lady Veteran wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:49:29 +1000, "Ben Gussey"
wrote:
"Richard Bray" wrote in message
. ..

So? Did you do anything? Did you walk up to the woman and
scream, "You sickening fat ugly piece of ****! I hate looking at
you and I hate what you've done to yourself and what you're doing
to your child, and I hate thinking that your medical problems will
clog up the
medical system and increase costs for me and decent people like
me!" Did you?


She probably would've eaten him.


Not without salt and pepper. Idiots, like clowns, taste funny.


Sounds more like she'd have used a few gallons of chocolate sauce.

Seth
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"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.
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Old August 18th, 2004, 01:20 AM
Seth Breidbart
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In article ,
Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diet.low-carb Hugh Beyer wrote:


Oh yeah, the folks here are violently opposed to everything "fat
acceptance" implies or stands for.


Ah, yes. The truly compassionate stance.


Well, yes. We want people to be healthy, and to improve their
conditions.

Seth
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Old August 18th, 2004, 01:20 AM
Seth Breidbart
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In article ,
Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diet.low-carb Hugh Beyer wrote:


Oh yeah, the folks here are violently opposed to everything "fat
acceptance" implies or stands for.


Ah, yes. The truly compassionate stance.


Well, yes. We want people to be healthy, and to improve their
conditions.

Seth
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"People that don't listen to me live to regret it." -- Will Brink
 




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